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  • #16
    Originally posted by Cult Icon
    Meltzer will occasionally talk about merch sales and he's pretty consistently said Roman is third behind Cena and one other guy (generally Brock or AJ). The issue with that is that WWE has been pushing Reigns harder than anyone over the past four years...and he's still nowhere close to selling as much merch as Cena. That's telling.

    At the end of the day the dude just isn't the guy. I was saying that way back when he was still in The Shield and it was perfectly clear that Rollins and Ambrose were both significantly better than him in every department minus the look. It still holds true today. Has he improved in the ring? Absolutely. Has he been booked badly? Absolutely. Here's the problem; there's plenty of workers just as as good, if not better, than Roman in the WWE who haven't gotten his push and are used just as bad. On top of that he has shown a complete inability to improvise and improve his situation. aAm I really supposed to believe, given how Vince and HHH (who gets a pass for this despite being the guy who made the call to make Roman the guy to begin with) value the guy that Roman would be too hard on him if he told them to give him better material or if he went off script on a promo or in a match like that Joe one? John Cena has made a career out of improvising and turning things around; he wouldn't have let that Samoa Joe match go off the chinlock rails. Roman does not have that quality. He's basically a poor man's Cesaro with more hair and a better look. And I'm not sure why we're still wasting so much time figuring out what's wrong when the guy when it's clear WWE has no clue what is role is and he just doesn't have it as the top guy. Simple as that.
    Some people have called him a poor man's Jason Momoa.

    Originally posted by Team Farrell
    There was a moment where Roman could have been that top guy, but I'm siding with Cult here in that I don't think it's something that can happen at this point. Maybe by not telling everyone that he's the top guy and just booking him well over the next few years he can get naturally over (remember, there was a point not too long ago where people were saying that Miz should just be cut and WWE should move on), but as of now it's not doable.

    WWE needs to go with Braun. The wheels will probably come off that eventually, so why the hell would they not throw everything that they have behind a guy that a) has the look and size that they want, b) is actually naturally over with the audience, and c) is a proven ratings draw? Get everything you can out of that before people move on and change their mind on who they love.

    Let Braun rule Raw, let Bryan rule Smackdown and, hey, you might actually see business and ratings increase.
    Strowman can probably get a run but Vince likely is sticking w/ Reigns. I wonder if Reigns had been heel upon The Shield breaking up would he be more accepted. He seems more naturally heel going by this promo:

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    • #17
      Roman, in that suit, next to the McMahon's, with that attitude, and add in the chip on his shoulder from the fans, would be AMAZING! Rumor is that since the walk out at Backlash, Vince has had his eyes opened. I have no idea what that means, but I can only hope it's him giving up on Reigns. And I don't hate Reigns, but in all my years watching wrestling, you can see when it's not working, and THIS, is not working.

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      • #18
        There was also a rumor that came out that said Vince dismissed the walk out as people needing to leave early because it was a school night. I wouldn't take much stock in either rumor.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Cult Icon
          There was also a rumor that came out that said Vince dismissed the walk out as people needing to leave early because it was a school night. I wouldn't take much stock in either rumor.
          Neither would I but pairing Reigns w/ McMahon like LWO4Life suggested would be ace.

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          • #20
            Vince is way too stubborn to give up on Reigns being the next top face so him dismissing the walk out as people needing to leave early wouldn't surprise me.

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            • #21
              People go on about how much Vince loves him, but judging by the way he's booked, Vince must hate him. Only ever sets him up for failures it seems. Roman v Jinder in Chicago? I'm sure that will go down a storm.

              Not sure how much stroke Roman has backstage but he needs to tell them when he knows something is awful and not right for his character- and that to me is the main thing he's doesn't seem to have that other top guys have had. Could you imagine the likes of Austin, HBK, Hogan, Cena, Bret, Warrior etc- given what we know about them- putting up with all the shite they give Roman and just happily going along with it?

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              • #22
                Vince is putting Reigns into a feud with Jinder to get him over with the crowd (which likely won't work). He knows that if Reigns was in the MITB and won over Strowman, there would be a shit storm.

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                • #23
                  I mean, I would think the logic in the very idea "putting Reigns into a feud with Jinder to get him over" is relatively self-evident! You're not wrong in saying it likely won't work. If I were a betting man, I'd put money on it. The unfortunate thing is that at this stage I'm not sure anything will.

                  I was never a Roman hater. I've always been a fan. I think the man is clearly immensely talented and capable of great matches. Unfortunately, there's no escaping the truth that his career has been completely sabotaged by the incompetence of his employer and their staggering level of stupidity when it comes to his presentation. And as a result, despite having been a fan, I'm at a stage where, through no fault of Reigns really, I just don't want to see him. I get instantly annoyed when he turns up, just because I know there's going to be some irritating nonsense following shortly thereafter.

                  This is someone who has now closed four consecutive WrestleManias, but feels like he should never have been close to doing so with one.

                  Imagine John Cena still in need of being 'cemented' in 2009 - that's where we are, and in that context the situation is inexcusably diabolical.

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                  • #24
                    I'm not into superhero style wrestling, which is really his strong suit. And was Cena's before him, to be fair. I've seen him try more believable stuff but it is a bit clunky to be honest. Like there's something caught in the machine.

                    I'm not sure about his talent being either clear or immense, personally, though I don't think I'd write him off the way his biggest critics do. But to be honest I can only remember the very odd match fondly and they are usually with the top performers.


                    What I will say, is he's had crap matches with Brock and now Joe. I know he's doing what has been asked, but at what point does going along with the plan and not changing it up as his predecessors would have done, become something to criticise not just the company and the booking but the talent himself?

                    "The worst moron is the one too stupid to realise they're a moron."

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Prime Time View Post
                      What I will say, is he's had crap matches with Brock and now Joe. I know he's doing what has been asked, but at what point does going along with the plan and not changing it up as his predecessors would have done, become something to criticise not just the company and the booking but the talent himself?
                      This is definitely a thing Reigns has gotten a pass on. How many times over the years have we seen John Cena, be it in ring or during a promo, improvise and go off script to improve something? One of the greatest moments of Cena's career was when he ventured away from the plan during that segment in Seattle where the crowd hijacked everything for Daniel Bryan and brought Bryan into it, thus saving the segment and creating one of the most memorable go home finales in recent memory. And that's just one example. We've never gotten that from Roman and I think at this point it's fair to criticize him for it. It's not like Vince would fire or de-push Roman for improvising on a promo or changing things up in the ring to improve a match; the guy has continued to push Roman following crowd rejections, suspensions and all the rest. Instead it seems more or less like Roman sticks to the script both on the mic and in the ring. That may be his biggest weakness; just going with the flow and not being able to think on his feet.

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                      • #26
                        Oh it's certainly an issue. I've passed comment on talents not reacting to the crowd response proactively in the past on Twitter and on the Pond. Though I must confess I find it bizarre anyone would praise Cena for that. His entire career has sort of been defined by an unwillingness to change, with the immediate comparison of course being The Rock in 1997.

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                        • #27
                          I think there's a conflation of two different things there. The difference between broadly playing the same role and, on the other hands, making smaller scale changes on the fly.

                          I don't know if I think Cena is that amazing at it, certainly compared with previous generations, but he's certainly shown some ability to improvise and as he's got older, a real solid handle on how to and when to do that. Roman to date follows the laid out tracks like a train.

                          For the longest time now I've held that Roman hasn't made himself the guy, but you can't blame him for taking the spot and so it's all on the company. But after enough time passes if you're not a good enough leader to call an audible then you've no business in that position.

                          "The worst moron is the one too stupid to realise they're a moron."

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                          • #28
                            So I just saw the beat down of Jinder by Reigns on Raw and it reminded me very strongly of what the WWE did with Reigns and Strowman last year.

                            Everyone is assuming that he got paired with Jinder so the crowd would cheer him but what if (like with Braun last year) the point is to use Reigns negative reaction to build up Jinder?

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                            • #29
                              I can't see Jinder as a face. He just screams heel.

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                              • #30
                                Yeah, people dislike Jinder enough that a face turn would really be baffling at this point. I'm not saying it's not possible they'd try, but I'd be surprised.

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