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  • Hopefully it means we get Seth v AJ, may be the final AJ feud we need to get before he finishes that hypothetical dream list we all drew up when he came to the WWE.

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    • Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post
      Everything I've heard about Reigns' return is that they pretty much gave him little to do after The Shield reunion. He got put in a feud with Drew that...I guess existed even though no one ever had anything to say with it after the first night and then they had a match that I guess also existed. The point is there's been nothing for him to do, he immediately went over a guy in Drew that people like and now we have what happened last night. Can we really be surprised? This is the same company after all that just spent the last few months turning the sure fire Ronda-Becky feud into what I would call a miss, not to mention the same promotion that couldn't book Roman effectively before he got sick. I know a lot of people tried to act like that stuff never happened when he fell ill (and I get it, that stuff isn't important in the grand scheme of things) but the fact of the matter is that Roman Reigns' career has primarily been him having to work through really bad creative and ridiculous overpushing by Vince. That didn't go away just because it had leukemia, and WWE would be wise to be careful because if not, he'll be in the same spot again. I just feel bad for the guy; he went through all that, should've been set forever and the company still is going to be unable to figure it out.
      I'm not sure WWE was really ready for Roman to return, Cult. You look at it, and as you say aside from the Shield reunion there has been very little of value they've had for Roman. There was no clear spot for him to come in to, no storyline points for him to hit, and he ended up in a very lukewarm Mania feud with Drew as a result.

      Now, I assume they wanted him back for Mania, because when you've already sold that out anyway and are always going to bullshit the numbers why not try and get your returning golden boy on the card of your biggest show?

      Sarcasm aside, I think it was a mistake to go with the return when they did, and even if Roman was back and healthy they should have held off and then had him return on Monday instead. Big pop, everyone happy and high fiving in the stands as he saves Seth from a beatdown at the hands of first rival for the title. Throw Dean at it for a 'Shield reunion spot' or whatever and you've got a great moment at the end of a raucous Raw, instead of a crowd bouncing beach balls around and singing to themselves like twerps. They could have also then started to hit some storyline points to lay the groundwork for him coming back - it might have been mawkish, but Seth could have dedicated his Mania win to him pre-match or something, someone like Drew playing off that gently, and then you've got reason for Roman returning.

      Instead, they brought him back fairly cold, and left him with nothing to really do.

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      • Reigns and Shane huh. I'd love to understand the thinking behind that decision.

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        • Originally posted by Cannon View Post
          Reigns and Shane huh. I'd love to understand the thinking behind that decision.
          Keeps Reigns away from Kofi's title so I'm all for it.

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          • Roman needs to prove himself against the best wrestler in the World, is my guess.

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            • Shane said that Roman Reigns is one of the very few who has victories over Taker and Lesnar, but add Cena to that list, which Reigns has, who else is on that list?

              Kurt Angle
              HHH

              Anyone else?

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              • Big Show defeated Brock for the title back in ‘02... surely he has a victory over Taker as well.

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                • Quick search reveals he does, No Mercy 2008 and maybe one or two on TV as well.

                  "The worst moron is the one too stupid to realise they're a moron."

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                  • Well that is a very short and exclusive list.

                    Reigns
                    Angle
                    HHH
                    Big Show

                    Only four people to have a singles victory over Taker, Lesnar and Cena, and it is a little shocking that the Rock never beat Lesnar.

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                    • I imagine people will say this doesn't count, but if you include DQ finishes you could add RVD to the list....

                      "The worst moron is the one too stupid to realise they're a moron."

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                      • Originally posted by Prime Time View Post
                        I imagine people will say this doesn't count, but if you include DQ finishes you could add RVD to the list....
                        When did RVD get a victory over Undertaker?

                        Also, didn't CM Punk have a victory over Brock Lesner or am I misremembering? He has a win over Taker, too, but in screwy fashion at Breaking Point 2009.
                        Last edited by LifeLostInRewind; 06-11-2019, 09:01 AM.

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                        • RVD beat him on RAW in 2001.

                          I don't think Punk has ever beaten Lesnar, bit someone with a better knowledge of the more recent stuff could probably speak more authoritatively.

                          "The worst moron is the one too stupid to realise they're a moron."

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                          • Pretty sure Punk and Lesnar has just the one match at SummerSlam ‘13 and Brock won.

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                            • No, to the best of my recollection, and some searching, Punk never beat Lesnar.


                              EDIT:

                              So the list is:

                              Reigns
                              HHH
                              Angle
                              Show
                              RVD via some DQs

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                              • If he hadn't died there's a good chance we'd have added Eddie Guerrero to the list, but I don't think he ever got the win over Undertaker? I think it would have happened eventually, given they both spent most of their time on Smackdown.

                                "The worst moron is the one too stupid to realise they're a moron."

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