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  • A&E WWE Biography

    Who's been watching these shows?

    I thought Austin and Piper were great. I'm just checking out the Randy Savage one now.

    They're so far pretty good and in depth. They need to cut a little bit here and there to fit things into two hours -- pretty good chunks of Piper's career for example, but do you really feel the need to talk about how he went to Florida just to do coke? -- but all in all pretty damn good.

    EDIT: My bad, Piper did got to Florida to do to coke, but what I meant by chunks of his career is that they combine Georgia and Crockett. I'm not sure if that was done to save time, because the editor didn't know better, or since most people would equate Crockett/WCW with Atlanta they combined the two.

    EDITII: This Savage show has some weird storytelling stuff that's not accurate. Wow.

    The story's been told hundreds of times that Savage didn't just show up on WCW. He called Vince personally and let him know he was leaving. I think Bruce has told the story in the not too distant past where they were all in a booking meeting when Savage called. That's not to say the story isn't true that he and Lawler watched it in the back, but Vince knew in advance.

    There were some complaints about the implication that Savage didn't get on gear until WCW, but that statement isn't really accurate to the story they told. Steroids weren't illegal until 1990, so there wouldn't be much need to talk about them prior to that. Additionally, Savage actually got off the gear around the time he was on commentary to try and get his body right in an attempt to start a family, so he got HARD on the gear during that WCW run.

    Truthfully, I'm the same size as Randy during the majority of his WWF run, but he definitely got much bigger in WCW.
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    I'm definitely looking to catch these at some point in time. Generally speaking, when WWE gets involved in a biography/documentary piece, they knock it out of the park.

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    • #3
      The Savage one was...wow. I mean, if things are bad, things are bad and they should tell that story truthfully, but where I mentioned that they didn't feel the need to bring up Piper's few months cocaine vacation stay in Florida between Georgia and Mid-Atlantic, some of the Savage bio just felt attacking.

      One thing that I would really have liked would be for Vince to once and for all put to bed the "rumors" around why Savage was blacklisted. They don't have to mention Stephanie by name, but it's hard to interview Vince for a documentary on Savage and not try to get to the bottom of why everyone else was welcomed back, and it wasn't until 2011 that he was.

      Bruce Prichard, who was in the inner circle at the time, swears that the real reason is that Savage was one of the first, and possibly only, active wrestlers that Vince McMahon truly became close, personal friends with. To the point that by the time the 90s came along and Savage was an announcer, he and Vince road together. He didn't have that relationship with Hogan, but he had it with Savage, and was so betrayed by Savage jumping ship that he took it very personally. It also pretty closely aligns with when Vince stopped taking wrestlers at their word.

      Who knows if that's actually how it went down or why Vince was so bitterly angry at Savage, although it makes sense in my mind. But if it's true, an entire psychological study could be fucking done on Vince's treatment of wrestlers and the aloof CEO in relation to that "breakup".
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      • #4
        I didnt like the fact they used Bubba The Love Sponge. Dude wasn't friends with Macho but he got the balls to sit there and say dude still loved Liz even tho he had just remarried and by all accounts was doing better then ever.

        That and not a single mention of the Special Olympics? You can literally do an entire special alone based on how much work Randy did with them.

        I haven't seen the others and I'm not gonna call it a hit piece like others have but it was pretty slanted in one direction. I guess when your biggest source for comments is Hogan that should be expected tho.

        That said Vince calling Piper in "Hell" was odd as fuck.
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        • #5
          Yeah, I could not believe that BTLS was involved. I couldn't believe that Hogan would agree to be involved if he knew BTLS was going to be involved.

          I'm pretty sure that in the DSOTR show on Savage some of his friends kind of said that he never really moved on from Liz...until he re-met Lynn. Kevin Nash somehow seemed the most credible in the entire Biography show. He spoke pretty plainly on someone who was a friend, he was fair, and he even said that at the end of his life, as far as he knew, Savage was at peace, re-married and just enjoying his life.

          Honestly, if you're trying to fit everything into a two hour slot, I would have preferred they leave the Gorgeous George stuff on the cutting room floor in favour of covering Special Olympics. They'd already done enough to paint him as something of an abusive lunatic, they didn't need to rub it in.

          I'm pretty sure everyone that I've seen who knew Piper has said that the bit Vince did was right up Roddy's alley and he'd have found it hilarious. Even so, it's more than a little weird to keep in something that isn't going to Roddy to make him pop, but is going to be seen by the general public.
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          • #6
            So, I just watched the Austin one. I don't think I've ever actually watched a an Austin documentary, although there wasn't a whole lot of 'new' stuff in there for me anyway. But it was really, really good.

            One thing, though - it made me really, really want a Vince McMahon documentary in the same style. That 5/10 minute bit of the documentary about Vince as Austin's rival was a real highlight for me.

            Are there any bios on Vince made by WWE to date? Or third parties?

            Also, I know it's a tangent, but I watched the Ric Flair 30 for 30 thing recently - it's on Disney+ - and that was really good too.

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            • #7
              I don't think they've ever really done anything on Vince. He tends to shy away from the spotlight in that way. But I'd love to see it while he's still with us and he can speak. I mean, it could be a 10 part documentary series.
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              • #8
                Apparently Vince doesn't think anyone is interested in his story.

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                • #9
                  There was an interview with Austin a while ago (not, I don't think, a formal 'Broken Skull Session', like the precursor they did to that on the Network) which I might have a look at.

                  It's a shame if Vince thinks like that, as I'm sure there a whole lot of stuff to talk about in his life just accounting for his WWE stuff and not thinking about his non-wrestling family side.

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                  • #10
                    The Booker Bio generously left out the fact that they were originally going to be in slave chains accompanied by Col. Parker when they first came to WCW.

                    Probably a good call.
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                    • #11
                      They apparently cut a huge portion of shit they filmed about the Booker T vs. H title feud as well.
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                      • #12
                        Yeah, I could see that.

                        I really liked Booker's. He's one of those guys who, other than his prison time, never really had his story told. And he has a really good, really inspiring one.
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                        • #13
                          Yeah, the Booker one is excellent. I thought it was super interesting to hear them talk about appearing at Sturgis, however short that bit was - I sit back watching that and I just think what the heck did WCW think they were doing?

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                          • #14
                            I mean, it's obviously a lot of racist dudes which is bad. But change the context a bit, and that's 60s/70s/80s "we hate you and would stab you if given half a chance" heat instead of "we love to boo you because you're good at being a heel" heat. I wish that level of heat existed for anyone today.
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                            • #15
                              Lanny Poffo's response to the A&E Doc on Macho:

                              Did Randy Savage Really Lock Miss Elizabeth in the Closet?

                              Here’s the thing: The secret to a happy marriage is still a secret to me. I am a one-time loser. I was once married, now divorced. The secret to a happy marriage is also a secret to someone like Jerry Lawler, who has been divorced three times. So I don’t know why he feels the authority to give marital advice. Wrestlers love to make profound observations that they have overheard. Contrary to popular belief, my brother Randy Savage never locked Elizabeth in any closet in the dressing room. What was Randy supposed to do? Let Elizabeth take a shower with Brian Knobbs? It’s much easier to speak about it now that Randy’s gone. Nobody would know if the door was locked or unlocked because nobody had the guts to open or try to close the door. And now that Randy has been gone over ten years, everybody seems to have the balls now, but they didn’t then. Jerry Lawler, who spoke of my brother Randy’s marriage to Liz in the A&E Biography episode, wasn’t even in the WWE when Elizabeth was there. Randy came to the WWF with Elizabeth in ’85, and Elizabeth was gone a few months before Lawler joined the company.

                              You can almost forgive Lawler, though. If it weren’t for Jimmy Hart, Jerry Lawler, and Hulk Hogan, Randy wouldn’t have got to where he did because this business is not about merit. It’s about favor. Jerry Lawler, influenced by Jimmy Hart, gave Randy an opportunity in Memphis, and they broke box office records together. Randy told me that Jerry Lawler was not only a great worker but probably one of the most intelligent people he’s ever met in the business as far as how to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear, which he had to do 52 times a year in these weekly towns.

                              What I’m attempting to do here is put people over while also giving my thoughts.

                              I want to say that 75% of the A&E Biography episode on Randy was great, 20% of it was lousy, and 5% was just horrible. The people responsible for the 5% are Stephanie Bellars (Gorgeous George, Frankenstein, whatever) and Bubba the Love Sponge.

                              These are two people that speak with authority with absolutely no validity. Bubba, for instance, speculated on who Randy loved all his life, yet he wasn’t even on Randy’s Christmas list, so how was he going to know that?

                              “Be A Man, Hulk”

                              I told the truth every time during filming, but most of my truth got sent to the editing room floor.

                              One of the things mentioned was Randy asking me to write the song “Be A Man” about Hulk Hogan on his rap album. It was the only time I’ve refused Randy anything.

                              I told him, “I can’t do that.”

                              He replied, “Can’t, or won’t?”

                              I said, “Both!”

                              And he said, “Why not?”

                              I explained to my brother that I was like someone who finally got a date to the dance.

                              Hulk Hogan took me off the scrap heap and wrestled me on Saturday Night’s Main Event. I had four months of main events, all because of Hulk Hogan.

                              “I’m not going to turn around and use my talent to write a negative song about a very positive man in my life,” is what I said to him.

                              We both loved Mr. Perfect Curt Hennig. That was something Randy and I agreed on.

                              I told my brother, “I’ll write a song, ‘The Perfect Friend,’ and you can sing it and that’ll be my contribution to your CD, but I’m not going to make any negative songs about Hulk Hogan.”

                              I wrestled for 21 years, but nothing was better than those four months I spent with Hogan. I refuse not to be appreciative of that.

                              “You can run any song you want,” I said to Randy, “but I can’t do that.”

                              So I wrote “Perfect Friend,” but by the time I heard it on CD, the song was tweaked beyond recognition. Randy liked what I wrote, and then he tweaked it. I didn’t recognize it as my own anymore, but I came up with the title and the words, and I was very proud of that.

                              Correcting Bruce Prichard

                              Speaking of writers, the former “Brother Love” Bruce Prichard said in the A&E Biography of Randy Savage that my mother was from Germany during the rise of Hitler. Basically, he was saying that my mother was in the Holocaust. While that’s a good soundbite for a creative writer in wrestling, it is simply not true. Yes. My mother was Jewish. They got that part right. She was born in Naperville, Illinois, and met my father, Angelo, at DePaul University. She earned her “MRS” degree there. They got married, and they had two babies: Macho Man and me. She is Jewish, but her mother was from Belarus, and her father was from Lithuania. On my father’s side, both of my grandparents were from Lucca, Tuscany, Italy. So there you are with some actual facts. It’s probably not as interesting as what Bruce Prichard said, but embellishment is usually more fun than the truth.

                              Randy Savage – Finding Facts Amongst the Fiction

                              I don’t give marital advice because I am already divorced. Evidently, that didn’t bother multiple divorced men from going on television to criticize Randy’s divorce and rant about things they know nothing about. For example, Bubba the Love Sponge — when was the last time a woman ever made love to him and meant it? It was in poor taste to even put him out there. Roddy Piper and Stone Cold Steve Austin were glorified in these A&E episodes while Randy got vilified. Randy was made to look as bad as Chris Benoit, but I don’t remember my brother murdering anybody. Stephanie (Gorgeous George) said, “I really don’t want to be negative.” Oh, please. It’s too late for that. That’s all she has been.

                              There’s an old saying: Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. She seems to be very ungrateful for the opportunities that she had, and it sounds like she hasn’t really healed from it. In the episode, Stephanie said that she and Randy took ecstasy. I don’t believe my brother ever did any of the stuff she mentioned. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t, but it was totally inappropriate for her to say those things. She also mentioned that my brother took steroids. No, it wasn’t steroids because that was illegal at the time. It was human growth hormones. That’s how Randy got massively large for the movie Spider-Man. I notice she keeps going to wrestling reunions and tries to sell merchandise of her and the Macho Man in photographs together. The people that buy them, I don’t think they’re buying them to see her. She’s still trying to squeeze the last penny out of that relationship.

                              “I gave you my answer.” What Randy Savage Truly Thought of Lex Luger After the Death of Miss Elizabeth

                              Many people can’t fathom the fact that my brother Randy Savage liked Lex Luger a lot and did not blame him for the death of Elizabeth. Randy’s feelings were that you are responsible for your own overdose once you reach the age of consent. If I went to your house and overdosed, would you be to blame? Elizabeth was in her 40s when she died, and my brother never blamed Lex for what happened. In the A&E episode, the producers questioned me on it, and I said, “You have my answer. I gave you my answer.” And then they said, “Ever?” I then repeated, “I gave you my answer.”

                              In other words, Randy had no animosity towards Lex Luger. I wanted that clearly understood in the documentary. Randy and Lex were friends. They were workout buddies and training partners, and Randy was trying to get a body like his. He had nothing but respect for Lex. By the time Lex Luger and Liz were an item, Randy was no longer in the picture. He had moved on. It was great of Randy to suggest that Elizabeth come into the WCW because he knew there was gold to be mined. He did not let his personal feelings affect the fact that the primary purpose of professional wrestling is to fill the seats with butts and for Nielsen ratings.

                              Also, when Randy left Vince McMahon and the WWE, he took Slim Jim with him to the tune of $750,000 per year. Verifying that was Eric Bischoff on the show. I’ve read that Eric Bischoff wishes that he was not a part of the documentary because he was disgusted by how things were portrayed. Randy liked Eric Bischoff and his family. I never heard anything bad about Eric from Randy, although I’ve heard a lot of bad from other wrestlers about Eric. When you’re in a position like Eric was in, you can’t please everybody when everyone feels they’re number one. Only one person can be number one.

                              The Truth Behind How Randy Savage Met His Wife Lynn

                              In the A&E episode, everybody said Randy married his high school sweetheart, Lynn. This was false. Randy couldn’t have graduated high school in Downers Grove, Illinois, and have a sweetheart from a suburb of Chattanooga, Tennessee. Even the Macho Man can’t pull that off! The truth is after Lynn graduated from her high school in South Pittsburg, Tennessee, she went to Ringling College of Art and Design in Sarasota, Florida. At the time, Randy was in Sarasota playing baseball in the rookie league of the St. Louis Cardinals organization while Lynn was out there studying to become an artist. This was when the two of them met.

                              My Final Thoughts on the A&E Biography of ‘Macho Man’ Randy Savage

                              Before I finish, I would like to clear up a few more misconceptions. Contrary to what was mentioned in the A&E episode, nobody in the Poffo family ever slept in a car. We always slept in hotels.

                              Regarding the statements made about Randy’s costumes, he spent a fortune on these, but it was always under the advice of his CPA. He knew what percentage of his income was tax-deductible.

                              As mentioned before, I feel 75% of the A&E Biography episode on my brother Randy Savage was portrayed fairly, 20% unfairly, and 5% horribly. But let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater. 75% percent of the episode was great.

                              But A&E certainly sensationalized.

                              How come they didn’t mention one thing about Randy’s activity with the Special Olympics, Make-a-Wish, Children’s Cancer, Jerry Lewis’s Telethon, March of Dimes, underprivileged children, and everything else he did? That’s not newsworthy? None of that matters? Do you want to just dig for the dirt?

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