'The Man' - Becky Lynch Thread

[Prime Time]

Wasn't John Laurinaitis running some stuff with Cena during that time which would probably qualify?

I'm largely in line with you though, and while I'm not so sure about the Punk thing, the Bryan angle always kinda felt really incidental to me. Like, they could have done anything, and so long as you did it with him, people would have been all over it. It was clear that he'd been picked as 'the guy' by a big section of the audience well in advance.

I don't know the lucha underground guy so can't comment, but with you on the others. The good thing about Regal is that he's really not overplayed the way that these things routinely are. And oh man, I think people sometimes forget just how much people legitimately hated Bischoff in 1997/98.

[Powder]

EDIT: Never mind, I misread.

[Mr Chop]

Regal in NXT should be the default, a respected vet who seems to genuinely want the show to be the best it can be. That's it. Ironically, HHH would actually be a good fit for that kind of role if he could calm some of his worst impulses.

I feel like we're about two weeks away from Charlotte kidnapping Finn Balor and trying to embalm him at the behest of a higher power, only for Becky to charge through the crowd and beat her shitless.

I mean....I'd be all into this. Like, crazy into it.

[Team Farrell]

I dunno, I think there have been a few more successful heel authority figures in the past. Bischoff on Raw sticks out to me as one that I enjoyed just being gross and smarmy and the caricature of what people assume Bischoff is. Vince in the 90s is a cartoonish depiction of what I want a wrestling promoter in a movie to be -- an abusive, carny, jacked up animal.

In 2019, I want Jack Tunney back. I want a regular, uncharismatic, milquetoast white guy in a plain suit with no promo ability to come out with no music when there's a controversy and somewhat uncomfortably relay a decision that was made. Give me a year or two of that guy and we can talk about a heel authority figure again.

[Powder]

I want the Mick Foley RAW commissioner from the early 2000s back.

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As a kid I thought Tunney held actual real power in the company because he was never involved in storylines (as I recall). Just delivered decisions when he had to.

[Prime Time]

I dunno, I think there have been a few more successful heel authority figures in the past. Bischoff on Raw sticks out to me as one that I enjoyed just being gross and smarmy and the caricature of what people assume Bischoff is. Vince in the 90s is a cartoonish depiction of what I want a wrestling promoter in a movie to be -- an abusive, carny, jacked up animal.

In 2019, I want Jack Tunney back. I want a regular, uncharismatic, milquetoast white guy in a plain suit with no promo ability to come out with no music when there's a controversy and somewhat uncomfortably relay a decision that was made. Give me a year or two of that guy and we can talk about a heel authority figure again.

I think it depends on what you define as successful. There are all kinds of people who've done all right, and Bischoff when he came to RAW was one of them because he still had that ability to rub people the wrong way. But the move was already a bit of a busted flush by that point, and it just wasn't the same. I commend anyone who can actually get anything out of it to be honest, because it must be like trying to sell people air.

I'm totally all in on that second paragraph, though. I'd want a few years of that, then you can maybe pivot when there are more people who think someone in power fucking with you is a reason to get upset.

[Oliver]

A scenario that just popped through my head when reading the news, for no other reason than I wanted to overthink a situation.

What if...Ruby wins the title at Elimination Chamber through all the shenanigans, ultimately a Becky run in costing Ronda. They then all shrug collectively and go 'well, we said Charlotte's in the title match, so it's Charlotte vs Ruby Riott at WrestleMania' and Rousey demands to face Becky one on one without the title? They could even, if they want to go really fully into it and throw extra stuff at it, go for an 'unsanctioned' Becky vs Ronda match due to the suspension.

I know full well none of that will happen, but I feel like it would make for an interesting - if a bit chaotic - Mania run in.

[Powder]

You know, I do not hate that idea at all.

[LifeLostInRewind]

I like the idea since Ruby would have the belt.

[Powder]

I saw this article over the weekend, and it clearly states that Becky is the "chosen one" for the foreseeable future. Take the article however you wish, but I hope it is true.

https://www.thesportster.com/news/vince-mcmahon-becky-lynch-chosen-one/

[Oliver]

Cool, I look forward to coming back here in about six months and having stressful conversations about how she's 'overpushed' and 'can't take a clean loss', etc etc.

[LK3185]

A wrestler can only be over pushed if their connection and reaction from the crowd doesn't warrant it. End of debate/

[Oliver]

No, that opens the debate.

Overpushing occurs with wrestlers who are getting a connection and crowd response. It's why Reigns was pushed so heavily - he'd connected to the crowd in The Shield, and initially that response continued. Think of that Rumble where Roman was in the final two with Batista, 2014, and the crowd was going insane for Roman. Think through that Shield run and the crowd popped for him consistently, particularly in those matches with Evolution and the Wyatt's.

Then, WWE committed to his push - within six months of the disintegration of The Shield he was being booed by every corner of the arena for winning the Rumble.

Go back through time - Cena people loved before WWE really committed to him. 2003/2004 Cena had people clamouring for his push. They follow through and it works initially, but within six months (as with Reigns) the crowd are booing him against Jericho and Angle.

Stone Cold, history would tell you, never got booed as a babyface, but come 1999 there were audible boos for him at times from certain crowds which, you'd assume, were for similar reasons too.

And of course, Hogan, everybody ended up turning on due to him being overpushed, but that push only started with him getting good positive reactions from crowds.

Any push only really starts because of a crowd reaction. It will always end with an overpush and the crowd starting to recognise all those points and turn on them.

[LifeLostInRewind]

Cool, I look forward to coming back here in about six months and having stressful conversations about how she's 'overpushed' and 'can't take a clean loss', etc etc.

Except that won't happen because nearly everyone likes her. She has had the opposite treatment of Charlotte, where Charlotte was pretty much the Roman Reigns and John Cena of the womens division. That is why many people (myself included) cannot stand Charlotte Flair. Becky Lynch is who we want to see get the push she deserves.