NXT

[PEN15v2]

Could this be turning into a work?

[LK3185]

He aint letting it go if you look at twitter. Posted emails where they basically told him Triple H loved the design and he said WWE doesnt care about black People either

[Powder]

Now you have to copy and paste those emails.

[Team Farrell]

Could this be turning into a work?

He aint letting it go if you look at twitter. Posted emails where they basically told him Triple H loved the design and he said WWE doesnt care about black People either

It's starting to look like it, isn't it? That or he's looking to get out of the business.

Shit, you say that WWE doesn't care about black people. Then you call ROH's top guy an Uncle Tom. It's either a work, or not a single promoter with any sense on the planet will want to touch him. Which means he'll be making Tony Khan money soon (ZING!).

[LK3185]

To go that far, i just cant see it being a work. Call me naive but this is scorched earth stuff

[Cult Icon]

If this is a work it's (and I've said this a lot about potential works this year) the dumbest fucking work in the history of time. It would basically involve one of WWE's own talent calling WWE racist; how does that look good for anyone?! At least with the Kofi angle they were using subtext; the idea that Vince was holding Kofi down because he was black was there but it wasn't in your face, which is why that thing worked a lot better than Triple H and Booker T's weird 2003 angle (also Kofi won, whereas Booker lost. Big help there). I can't see WWE being in your face about something like this, and the fact that ACH is now going after Jay Lethal and Ring of Honor seems to indicate he's very much professing his real feelings.

As for the shirt itself, when I first saw that shirt I knew IMMEDIATELY why he was upset. Back in high school there were people who referred to my friend Alex (who is white) as to having...let's just say the slur had lips at the end of it and a word I will never utter prior to it. As soon as I saw the red and the way Jordan Myles' name was structured it was clear what was going on and if I, a dude whiter than the cocaine snorted in Boogie Nights, saw it then Myles/ACH/whatever you want to call him certainly saw it too. Now do I believe this was designed with racist intent? No; my guess (and ACH is pretty much confirming this himself from what I understand) is that it was originally designed with another color in mind, then was put on a black shirt and no one in the front office put two and two together. Even still I get his anger towards it and I really get it after that WWE statement which pretty much throws ACH under the bus. It's also contradictory; if ACH approved of the shirt then why did he want it pulled? Common sense tells you there's no way he approved of it only to want it pulled soon after, so it's clear he was either shown the design on another color shirt (and then it was changed), he was never shown it but technically approved because WWE has some sort of thing in their contract where all talent approves of all merch designs or he was never shown it at all. Either way it's probably led to the end of his tenure there because I don't see how you go back after that statement. Regardless of who is right or wrong, that statement was only going to make it nastier and low and behold it has.

[LK3185]

You dont have to see it and not think it’s racist for it to be racist to others and what you get today from ACH is that he saw the shirt and made a counter offer that wasnt accepted and He spoke with Trips who thought ACH approved the design (which they then took down so someone made some noise about it)

I think ACH is bringing it up now because hes fed up and doesn’t want to work there anymore

[Powder]

Then why also take shots at ROH?

I get his ACH's frustration and outrage, but what does ROH have to do with the Shirt design or the WWE's practices?

[Kleckamania]

Bad design aside, he really burned this bridge down. The guy just won the NXT tournament over Cameron Grimes in the finals, had a great match with Adam Cole where he nearly won the NXT world title, and then this. It feels like he changed his mind about working for WWE, and just wanted out. I mean if my employer did something that I thought was culturally insensitive I'd have that discussion in private, not tag my boss and his bosses boss on social media and shit all over them, and my company, repeatedly. Racial issues or not, anyone shocked by him being booted aren't putting this into real world context. There's a way to handle these things properly, then there is what Jordan Myles did.

[Cult Icon]

Given how Twitter is I'm betting someone told him he should go back to ROH and that set him off because he believes they did him dirty as well. And it's possible; it's no secret that he, Cedric Alexander, Stokely Hathaway (who is in WWE now under a name that I cannot remember), Keith Lee and several others were all there, never got serious looks and then left. I don't know if Jay Lethal is an "Uncle Tom" as he claims but I can definitely see why he'd be mad at them.

[Oliver]

He aint letting it go if you look at twitter. Posted emails where they basically told him Triple H loved the design and he said WWE doesnt care about black People either

For those of interest, the email came from someone called Baker London:

Hey Albert

Triple H attended a meeting and had a revision for your logo, but loved it for our character. He wanted the letter to be more "teethy" and what I have attached is what he liked.

Also have basic t-shirts on there that he approved as well. Road Dogg preferred the gray, but let us know what you think!

Thanks,
Baker

That came out after a Tweet where he says he was originally uncomfortable with the design but rather than address the issue he countered with a different design. This Baker Landon guy made it seem like his (Myles') hands were tied by Trips' wants for the design (presumably the above email) - Triple H then had the impression Myles had approved the design.

He then pointed out that it's horseshit they still employ Hogan.

[Cult Icon]

Bad design aside, he really burned this bridge down. The guy just won the NXT tournament over Cameron Grimes in the finals, had a great match with Adam Cole where he nearly won the NXT world title, and then this. It feels like he changed his mind about working for WWE, and just wanted out. I mean if my employer did something that I thought was culturally insensitive I'd have that discussion in private, not tag my boss and his bosses boss on social media and shit all over them, and my company, repeatedly. Racial issues or not, anyone shocked by him being booted aren't putting this into real world context. There's a way to handle these things properly, then there is what Jordan Myles did.

It's funny you bring up the Adam Cole match Kleck. That match was taped on August 15th and broadcast on the September 4th edition of NXT. You know how many times Jordan Myles has appeared on NXT TV since then? Zero. Furthermore he hasn't wrestled on an NXT house show since September 21st, over a month ago. So in the past month he went from a guy winning a supposedly important tournament and getting an NXT Championship match (right before the brand jumped to USA Network no less) to a guy who not only hasn't appeared on TV but who isn't even working the house show circuit. All around the same timeline as this t-shirt incident comes into effect. Being kept of TV is one thing; NXT rotates guys all the time. Not working house shows for a month is a different story. Maybe it's this t-shirt issue, maybe it's something else to go along with it but this isn't just something that got him in an uproar yesterday. This was coming.

[LK3185]

Yeah it comes off like at best, they came up with a shirt for him , he didn’t like it, they removed it after being all for it and then they stopped using him and he probably sees it as a punishment for not liking the shirt. Anong other things that arent being said.

[Team Farrell]

For those of interest, the email came from someone called Baker London:



That came out after a Tweet where he says he was originally uncomfortable with the design but rather than address the issue he countered with a different design. This Baker Landon guy made it seem like his (Myles') hands were tied by Trips' wants for the design (presumably the above email) - Triple H then had the impression Myles had approved the design.

I have a funny feeling that this was all caused by some guy in the design who was feeling lazy. He didn't have time, or was nearing the end of his day so didn't want to, re-design or re-work it to whatever Myles had suggested -- the email to Myles came through just before 6:00 p.m. -- so he emailed Triple H to tell him that Myles was cool, emailed Myles to tell him that Triple H had spoken, and figured that when the design eventually came out (not realizing what it would explode in to) he'd just claim a mix-up.

It's funny you bring up the Adam Cole match Kleck. That match was taped on August 15th and broadcast on the September 4th edition of NXT. You know how many times Jordan Myles has appeared on NXT TV since then? Zero. Furthermore he hasn't wrestled on an NXT house show since September 21st, over a month ago. So in the past month he went from a guy winning a supposedly important tournament and getting an NXT Championship match (right before the brand jumped to USA Network no less) to a guy who not only hasn't appeared on TV but who isn't even working the house show circuit. All around the same timeline as this t-shirt incident comes into effect. Being kept of TV is one thing; NXT rotates guys all the time. Not working house shows for a month is a different story. Maybe it's this t-shirt issue, maybe it's something else to go along with it but this isn't just something that got him in an uproar yesterday. This was coming.

Maybe someone just feels like he's a pain in the ass. Maybe that's why he never got a serious push in ROH and why they're not using him on house shows.

I'm not saying for a second that the black guy shouldn't speak up, and do so publicly if he feels the company needs to be made aware, if he's upset. He definitely should. I am however saying that sometimes the squeaky, unhappy, wheel doesn't get the grease it just gets to ride out its ROH contract until someone else makes an offer.

It is reality that if a guy complains enough and never seems happy with what he's given, eventually they stop giving him things. He's in NXT, he's not John Cena. If whomever is booking the house shows gets that "pain in the ass" feeling, they might just sit him.

EDIT: This made me look at the t-shirts on the WWE shop. The NXT ones (unless they're a pushed star) appear to just be their tron logo on a shirt. Seeing the wildly different logos that people have is crazy. You can really tell who has a gimmick and a character for the designer to work off of, and who's just "indy dude #5".

Also, as a follow up, I could see someone overruling it being on a different colour shirt than black (again, not realizing what it was going to look like because they probably didn't even see the design placed on that colour) because men's shirts other than black don't tend to sell nearly as well. They probably figured that they were doing him a favour ("Grey doesn't sell, let's put it on black.") and then the world exploded.

I do believe that this Baker character should probably be let go. Whether it's negligence, laziness or racism on his part, either way this is the kind of mistake people get fired over.

[PEN15v2]

I guess Jordan Myles lost his smile.