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    Well, it doesn't look like there's a thread specific to the WWE Network, so this one will suffice.

    I watched that Evolve show on the Network. That thing was a travesty. I actually got mad that that show was airing on the WWE Network. It was so much psychology-less nonsense, stupid silliness, amateur hour performance and bullshit until about the point that Riddle and Gulak had a serious professional wrestling match.

    Guys who look in terms of appearance and work like they shouldn't be anywhere near televised pro wrestling. That opener with the two schlubs was stupid as fuck, and when the one guys started busting out super high impact backbreakers transitioned into other backbreakers without it being the finish, I was out. The four way was okay, but again just too much for the sake of doing too much, I liked the Wolf guy. My girlfriend raved about Shotzi before the match, and I thought she was pretty good. The fat farm boy looking motherfucker who had the WWN title was pretty good -- he didn't look like an adonis but didn't need to and carries that look really well.

    And then there's Austin Theory. That guy reminds me of 2001 John Cena. If he doesn't get seriously hurt or bungled by the system, he is not incorrect when he says he's going to be main eventing WrestleMania someday.

    Oh, I also really really liked the semi-shoot style match between the two martial arts guys.

    That entire show was so disjointed and poorly put together it reminded me of watching a late 90s episode of ECW Hardcore TV back where things would flow weird and you might have no explanation for why we were suddenly throwing to things. Stuff like airing the Unwanted promo, only to have Kingston come out and reintroduce everyone and state basically the exact same thing on a live mic. I got up and walked out of the room when before the tag match, Unwanted had the giant surrounded, the other guys music hit and they came out to the stage to do their entire fucking dance routine before running in to do a dive and make the save. Why didn't Unwanted get a couple of licks in during the 10 minutes they had to wait?

    Also, do wrestlers not work out anymore? Like, I don't need everyone to look like a bronze statue -- I liked JD Drake a lot -- but come on. Half the guys on that card didn't look like they could win a fight with the people in the crowd, let alone a professional athlete. There were a handful of guys like that Wolf dude and AR Fox that look like athletes, but some of these guys look like Hot Topic employees.
    Last edited by Team Farrell; 07-15-2019, 12:12 PM.
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    Originally posted by Team Farrell View Post
    Also, do wrestlers not work out anymore? Like, I don't need everyone to look like a bronze statue -- I liked JD Drake a lot -- but come on. Half the guys on that card didn't look like they could win a fight with the people in the crowd, let alone a professional athlete. There were a handful of guys like that Wolf dude and AR Fox that look like athletes, but some of these guys look like Hot Topic employees.

    I ask this a lot. Like, I don't need you to do HGH, or any other PED's. But you know who looks like they can kick my ass (I don't fancy myself a tough guy, but I've won way more fights than I've lost), Shinsuke Nakamura. He doesn't look like he's on PED's, but he looks like he can kicks someone's ass. Same with CM Punk when he was in WWE. It's realistic that someone like Andy Ruiz in boxing would beat up an Anthony Joshua, and if you watch boxing you'd know Andy Ruiz looks more like Kevin Owens and Joshua looks like the old school WWF wrestlers from the 80's that were all on juice. So I've never thought that everyone needs to be on juice. But can we please get guys that at least look like they go to the gym, can lift weights and run more than a city block without losing air.

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    • #3
      Insert IWC rant: "Only Vince cares about size, but size doesn't matter" as they pay money into Marvel movies, Hobbs and Shaw, and other action movies with all the heroes looking super fit, and other hypocrisies.

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      • #4
        I've long said that steroids should be legal (well maybe legalish, hard to explain what I mean). If wrestlers are willing to assume the health risks, I say let them.

        Same for baseball. Maybe not a sport like football where you could easily legitimately kill someone, but...

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        • #5
          The thing is, not everyone needs to be on gas. There's a place for the Rybacks of the world for sure, and I think those physically larger than life people have their attraction to the general public.

          But Wolf or Theory weren't juiced up monsters, they just look like athletes. They're build like professional fighters. UFC has shown us all what a professional fighter coming out for a fight generally looks like. You don't need to be musclebound or have 3% body fat, but at least look like you watch your diet and have some sort of muscle mass.
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          • #6
            So LWO is out then...

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            • #7
              Body like a milk bag.
              Last edited by PEN15v2; 07-15-2019, 02:54 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Team Farrell View Post
                The thing is, not everyone needs to be on gas. There's a place for the Rybacks of the world for sure, and I think those physically larger than life people have their attraction to the general public.

                But Wolf or Theory weren't juiced up monsters, they just look like athletes. They're build like professional fighters. UFC has shown us all what a professional fighter coming out for a fight generally looks like. You don't need to be musclebound or have 3% body fat, but at least look like you watch your diet and have some sort of muscle mass.
                This is exactly my stance. I don't want people on gas because of health risk. But God damn at least look like you hit the gym and eat somewhat healthy.

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                • #9
                  WWE Network

                  So the Network may be on the ropes, is that what I read? I skimmed everything, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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                  • #10
                    I have my doubts. Network numbers took a hit in Q4 2019, but I can't fathom it unless they absolutely cannot foresee turning it around.

                    A WWE Network has been Vince's goal for 30+ years, the ability to have 100% full control of the platform.

                    Now that said, everything I've ever read indicates that first run content like NXT, PPV and the docs are what gets the biggest viewership. So maybe they're considering licensing deals to platforms like Netflix for their back catalogue? Even then, what would they have to license? Are you going to license every back episode of Raw even though new episodes are coming up on a 30 day delay?

                    I can't fathom them abandoning the Network as a platform or a strategy. I do predict they'll try to add more first run content in the form of perhaps more frequent WWN stuff and maybe a couple of the UK promotions.

                    Maybe there's a marketing strategy at play, though? Hook up with Amazon for 205 Live (for example) and try to use that to drive their customer base to the Network for more content and Pay Per Views all while making money off of a product you're producing anyway?
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                    • #11
                      I thought there was also supposed to be a tiered platform, where you can puck a plan for different amounts of money.

                      Like:
                      Just PPV
                      PPV plus new original content
                      Everything

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                      • #12
                        I find it odd that the tiers weren't implemented early on. There must have been a restriction that prevented it, and there's no denying the original announcement and push did HUGE for WWE because it's a great offer if you already bought PPVs regularly.

                        So whatever changes might be made, they better keep in mind the 5 years of established rates and expectations. The fact that the deal was too good to be true for so long doesn't mean people will suddenly agree to overpay to make up for it.


                        EDIT

                        For the sake of discussion, the rumors (not that I believe it) seem to be that only the big PPVs might move to an outside source. Meaning it might be $35 to get Rumble, Mania, Slam and Series again (maybe Money in the Bank is included in this). If that is indeed the plan, it might not be that bad. They'll lose subscribers, but they'll likely make up for a lot of it with the people willing to pay the extra for those bigger shows.

                        If this is true, then I hope subscribers to the network get a reduced price. If you don't have the Network, $50 for Mania. If you have the Network, $25. Then just Network but no Mania is $10/m. Something like that might work because as a subscriber, I'm still getting Mania at a cheaper rate.
                        Last edited by PEN15v2; 02-06-2020, 03:30 PM.

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                        • #13
                          In an unrelated note, ever since the update last year, The Network is goddamn near unwatchable at times. The live stream is constantly freezing and stuttering and buffering to the point that I just turned NXT off last week and gave up. I pirated Royal Rumble despite having The Network because the stream I found online was more reliable.
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                          • #14
                            How do you watch? Rumble gave me zero issues, and I watched on the slowest laptop I have in my house (HDMI to big screen).

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                            • #15
                              I used to watch on Chromecast from the phone app and I'd routinely have issues. Fewer issues just watching on the laptop but I'd usually have at least one reload per show.

                              "The worst moron is the one too stupid to realise they're a moron."

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