Limitless Keith Lee Thread

[Powder]

Here is what Braun looks like today vs 2 years ago, from his own Instagram...


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[Prime Time]

Well, fine. It doesn't change the point, though, that if what's out there is true, Lee's 'demotion' isn't connected to his weight.

[Powder]

I get that, but still...it would benefit Lee in every way possible to drop weight, regardless of wrestling as a 'Big Man'.

Better health
Better movement
More agile
Better cardio
Looks better
More marketable
Could bust out a 'big high risk move' in the right circumstance

[Prime Time]

Well, his health is honestly none of our business. If they are trying to train him up to work more like a big man, they clearly don't have a problem with his agility, or his ability to hit high risk moves.

As for marketability, that's got way may to do with how you are booked than your weight, when you are in that kind of ballpark. Strowman was probably more marketable in that flabbier picture above, just because he hadn't lost the aura yet. He certainly had a lot more buzz about him back then.

Anyway, just passing on the news. I honestly don't care if he drops weight or not.

[Team Farrell]

I don't know if any of you guys say his match on Main Event last week with Angel Garza, which theoretically happened the same night Vince got angry and sent a bunch of big guys in for more training, but it was dogshit awful. Two capable workers, and the match was fucking terrible.

Keith Lee literally didn't move for the first half. He stood in the middle and kind of lumbered.

I don't necessarily think it's Lee's weight as an issue, so much as he doesn't know what they want from him. They don't typically want a guy his size to be working like a cruiserweight, as Lee often does. But they also probably don't want him lumbering around.

So, if someone is in his ear telling him to work "like a big man", but he doesn't necessarily know what they mean by that, he might be having issues translating.

I don't view being sent to the PC as punishment. They aren't running house shows, so guys have gone from working three times per week or training every day in the ring at the PC, to working once or twice. If there was heat, or they didn't "like" him, they'd just job him out and send him on his way. Clearly they like him enough to want to see him improve.

But something isn't working. Seriously, go find that Main Event match. It's like it's not even Keith Lee. It's one of the most boring matches featuring two athletic talents that I've ever seen. I don't think Lee knows what they want from him, and hopefully the PC classes will help that. I also hope that they don't try to take all his high spots away from him, but maybe show him how to use them more judiciously.

[Powder]

You can find the match on youtube, and boy was that terrible as you said.

[Team Farrell]

Seeing it, and knowing what Keith Lee is capable of makes me believe that either he doesn't know what they want to see and he's trying something different, or whoever is agenting his matches is doing a poor job.

Keith Lee is capable of things that someone like Braun Strowman just physically isn't. I don't necessarily want to see Lee doing dropdown leapfrogs with Angel Garza, but there's no reason he needs to lumber in the middle of the ring for five minutes.

[Prime Time]

Absolutely right that if they didn't want him to succeed, they wouldn't even bother. He'd just be done, and probably already losing across the board. It's a good sign really, which is why I put the word demotion in quote marks back up there.

The common theory out there is they want him to save more of those things he can do for the right moment. Although it ended badly, I suppose the example is Brock Lesnar saving the shooting star press for Wrestlemania, rather than having him doing it every week and it meaning nothing. Though to be honest, I don't know how 'in' any of these people are with WWE management so although they have serious experience, I imagine they are just speculating as much as we are.

[Oliver]

I would bet that Keith Lee could throw a perfect Shooting Star Press if he wanted to.

While I don't hold much weight, no pun intended, on what WWE announce for their wrestlers size, Powder you used that to state that he's gained 15 lbs since he debuted on Raw - but at Takeover Portland in February he was announced at 340 lbs. It's not like that weight made him slow in that match against Dijakovic, which does lend more credence to the theory that it's something to do with the backstage stuff on the main roster as opposed to him, necessarily, being heavier.

Maybe it is just a case of them trying to get him to reign in the spectacular things he can do. I remember someone on here saying that once you see your main eventers doing Phoenix Splashes it's less incredible to see the cruiserweight sized guys doing one. By extension I guess is a 340 lb man is out doing a Standing Spanish Fly it's less incredible to see someone like John Morrison do one.

I saw a rumour recently that one Mania 37 main event plan was a triple threat between Drew, Lesnar, and Lee. That suggests he's not completely in the doghouse, at least.

[Powder]

If memory serves, when Lee debuted, or back in NXT they billed Lee at 320-330lbs, now on Monday they billed him at 345lbs. But you decide for yourself on how much weight the man has gained. The top picture is from Survivor Series 2019, the middle picture of from October 2020, and the bottom picture is from Monday night. Lee is noticeably much smaller in both pictures than he is on RAW.

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[PEN15v2]

Try again. That middle picture is not Oct 2020

[Prime Time]

I think he means October 2019....

[Powder]

Yes thank you, middle pic, October 2019.....

[Powder]

So where is Keith Lee? He was not in the Rumble, nor RAW and has been M.I.A. for a few weeks.

[PEN15v2]

If he really is in a relationship with Mia Yim, and she wasn't at the Rumble for Covid related reasons, it's likely he's doing the same.

Or, they are repackaging him.