Limitless Keith Lee Thread

[Powder]

As I said to you last night. Lee had the "Holy Sh!t" moment of the night. Beating Randy Orton in your first real main roster match, 100% clean is amazing. No outside interference, no run in, no ref bump. Nothing. I guess maybe Drew's words of Orton not giving back are changing. Orton in the past week put over McIntyre at SummerSlam and then Lee 7 days later at Payback.

But Lee beating Orton is protecting your investment.

I also said this to Pen last week: I predict the 2022 Wrestlemania main event to be The 2022 Royal Rumble winner Keith Lee challenging the heel champion Matt Riddle for the _______ Title. Not sure which one.

[Buzzard Guts]

It'll be Lesnar vs. Reigns.

One. Last. Time.

[meandi]

As I said to you last night. Lee had the "Holy Sh!t" moment of the night. Beating Randy Orton in your first real main roster match, 100% clean is amazing. No outside interference, no run in, no ref bump. Nothing. I guess maybe Drew's words of Orton not giving back are changing. Orton in the past week put over McIntyre at SummerSlam and then Lee 7 days later at Payback.

But Lee beating Orton is protecting your investment.

I also said this to Pen last week: I predict the 2022 Wrestlemania main event to be The 2022 Royal Rumble winner Keith Lee challenging the heel champion Matt Riddle for the _______ Title. Not sure which one.

Didn’t Kevin Owens defeat Cena in his “first real main roster match”?

[Powder]

It'll be Lesnar vs. Reigns.

One. Last. Time.

Apparently Lesnar is a free agent, so he may not even be with the WWE anymore.

Didn’t Kevin Owens defeat Cena in his “first real main roster match”?

Yes, and he had a really good career for a while, but I believe that KO is 'floundering' a bit is bc he is HHH's boy. Lee is clearly a guy that is Vince's type, and as long as Vince is in charge, he will be protected.

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Didn’t Kevin Owens defeat Cena in his “first real main roster match”?

You say that like Kevin Owens isn't a success. KO is made for life.

[Buzzard Guts]

Everyone goes through a period of lacking any real direction. It's the cyclical nature of the business. It happened to KO and it'll happen to Keith Lee one day. Doesn't make them any less of a success.

[meandi]

You say that like Kevin Owens isn't a success. KO is made for life.

He also floundered off and on for years with no real direction on occasion. KO ended up losing that feud to Cena before moving down the card. My point was that just because a newcomer has a big win for their first match, it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re a made man right off the bat.

[Powder]

A few things about Keith Lee, whom I like, so do not think this is a knock on the man or character:

1. I've said it before, but it bears repeating. Lee desperately needs to drop weight. It is not that he is carrying a little weight, he looks fat. Plain and simple. Not only does he look fat, with all this extra weight, he is so much slower than he was last fall, when he and Dijak had those great series of matches. Look to Strowman, upon his debut, he was overweight, slow and lumbering. but now Strowman is in amazing shape. When you looked at Lee and Strowman face to face last night, Lee looked like a fat guy squeezed into a singlet. We all know that Lee is a good wrestler, so if I was the WWE, I would put him on a diet and get him into the gym for some cardio to drop weight.

Look at the comparison of Lee in the pictures. On the left, is Lee from about a year ago, and the right is Lee last night. One guy is an athletic big man, and the other is a fat, slow big man. Lee looks to be at least 25-40 pound heavier, maybe more.

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2. WHY oh WHY did they have Lee vs Stroman? I do not care that this was an 'exhibition' or an 'unsanctioned' match, this should never had happen on a random RAW, and then to have Strowman basically get the upper hand. Lee should be continued to be built up and made to look like a beast, and then eventually when Strowman gets officially drafted to RAW, they finally meet in the Rumble with Lee eliminating Strowman setting up a Wrestlemania match for the 2 behemoths. Do not have a throw away match for these two.

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I don't see much difference between those 2 photos other than gear. I think this is an issue that you feel exists, but most wouldn't. I'm not saying he shouldn't try to get into better shape, but he's being pushed with this current look. I could argue it's best to not mess with what is working.

I didn't like the "throwaway" match either, but I didn't see it as Braun getting the upper hand. I saw it at a tease for an angle that will be official once the draft is over. Lee vs Braun will be on PPV soon enough, but I don't know if it'll be blue or red.

[Powder]

That was the best screen shot I could find, but you can clearly see that he has bulked up and is not as fast, smooth, and agile.

BUT, Lee will be on RAW. Everything about him screams that Vince wants him on the Flagship show.

[Team Farrell]

I'm not sure Raw is even the "flagship" show anymore. Even WWE Executive Producer Bruce Prichard's close friend and confidante Conrad Thompson has spitballed that SmackDown has clearly taken that title. SD has Roman Reigns, the company's top star, as the Champion, and they're on network TV working in tandem with Fox Sports, the NFL, etc.

But, back to Keith Lee I think that the singlet does him no favours. He looked and moved well with Kross. But he might seem a little slower these days maybe because he's being increasingly slowed down. That's not a bad thing either, in my mind. Top guys aren't going to want to work with indy "get my shit in" Keith Lee, and his athleticism is much less impressive when you see it weekly.

They need to either get the singlet off of him, or lose the shorts and go in just a singlet. The combination just accentuates his belly.

[Powder]

Again I have to bring it up. Keith Lee needs to drop weight. Tom Phillips just said on commentary that Lee was 345lbs. So that is at least 15lbs heavier than when he debuted on RAW. Also, during the week, Vince apparently sent a few 'big guys' back to the PC to train, and Lee was one of them.

Lee looks slow, sluggish, and not nearly as agile as he was when he broke through in his series of matches against Dijak in NXT from late 2019.

I know Lee is talented, but he has put on weight. The WWE took Big Show off TV years ago so that he could drop weight. I would do the same with Lee. Have him drop40lbs to get to 300-305lbs and he will be a different wrestler.

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It sounds like, from what a few people have been saying (Tommy Dreamer for one), that sending him down has nothing to do with him losing weight. In fact, it almost sounds like the opposite - that they want him to learn to work more like a 'big man', and not a huge guy who does the same shit as the titches in every single match. If these people are right, it's that they want him to work to that size rather than change his size. It does seem as though they would see Lee weighing around 350 as being a very different case from Big Show weighing 530 (something that I think was only a concern because of the difficulties they'd had keeping the licenses for Yoko and Vader a couple of years earlier.)

[Powder]

I am not calling for Lee to do all of the high risk maneuvers that he used to do. I just want him to be more agile and less slugggish. Look at Braun. The guy dropped weight and looks fantastic and is much more mobile in the ring.

[Prime Time]

I can't look at Braun, I don't watch the show. Nor can I argue with you because I haven't seen Keith Lee in a year or more. Just saying that it doesn't sound like they are sending him down to lose weight. You've linked the two together and it doesn't sound like they are connected, so I wouldn't get your hopes up.