Marvel Cinematic Universe - All Marvel Movie/TV discussion

[Prime Time]

I did find I got more out of this one, incidentally. Whether that's because I watched the first at home and this in the cinema, or it's just better, obviously that'd be very hard for me to say. But I not only made it through this one (beating the first by that measure alone) I actively enjoyed some of it.

[mizfan]

Even Pete's on board! He enjoyed (some of) something meta and fourth wall winking! It's a miracle!

[Prime Time]

Hey I usually like that fine. It's just in wrestling I have nothing but contempt for it.

[mizfan]

Come over to the wrestling-as-comics crowd Pete! It's fun!

[Prime Time]

Can't. I've had to work hard to get to this point of only quietly seething about it!

I actually considered this stage personal growth.

[XanMan]

I watched X-Men: Apocalypse for the second time last night. I still think it's a great movie; doesn't fall in with the comics idea of Apocalypse, of course, but if you take the story for what it is, I really enjoyed it and I think the kids they chose for the roles of the young X-Men were fantastic; much better than the original actors. I would just like to see them get rid of Xavier and Magneto for future movies. They aren't needed and it would be great to see an X-Men movie that truly focused on the X-Men rather than their mentor and his greatest frenemy. I didn't put this in the MCU thread, because it's separate.

[Prime Time]

Appreciate the thinking there but it was conceived of as a thread for Marvel generally and that was just a fancy title. Now changed to reflect that, and I've moved it here because I think it's the better place for it all things considered.

[meandi]

I watched X-Men: Apocalypse for the second time last night. I still think it's a great movie; doesn't fall in with the comics idea of Apocalypse, of course, but if you take the story for what it is, I really enjoyed it and I think the kids they chose for the roles of the young X-Men were fantastic; much better than the original actors. I would just like to see them get rid of Xavier and Magneto for future movies. They aren't needed and it would be great to see an X-Men movie that truly focused on the X-Men rather than their mentor and his greatest frenemy. I didn't put this in the MCU thread, because it's separate.

The First Class trilogy was better than the original in my opinion. And even with the drop in quality from the first two, Apocalypse doesn’t deserve the flak it gets.

What I’d like to see eventually happen with comic movies is to just drop the shared universe at this point. Like, imagine if they took the proper Age of Apocalypse story, and made a trilogy of that. And then when that was done, take something like, I don’t know... the House of M story and make a trilogy of that. It doesn’t have to tie in With AoA are anything else... just a self contained trilogy and so on and so forth.

[Prime Time]

The First Class trilogy was better than the original in my opinion. And even with the drop in quality from the first two, Apocalypse doesn’t deserve the flak it gets.

I agree with that too, thought it was fine.

[mizfan]

Yeah, the Apocalypse film was not bad by any stretch. I'd like a better one eventually, please, but it had it's moments. It's no X3, certainly.

[XanMan]

See, I don't get the love for Days of Future Past. I have tried several times to get into that movie and I can't. I have finished it, but never even liked it, much less loved it. To me, if there's a drop in quality, it's from First Class to Days of Future Past and then Apocalypse brings it back up.

BTW, it is now rumored there will be a "Thanos Edition" of Avengers: Infinity War with 30 additional minutes of Thanos' backstory. Sounds great to me!

[mizfan]

I thought Future Past was overrated but I wouldn't go that far. I did like how it canonically "fixed" the X Men universe. I also thought it was better than Apocalypse, though I could be persuaded that First Class was the best of the bunch. Kevin Bacon for the win!

Could definitely get into some extended Thanos stuff, thought they did a great job with a different take on the character.

[Powder]

See, I don't get the love for Days of Future Past. I have tried several times to get into that movie and I can't. I have finished it, but never even liked it, much less loved it. To me, if there's a drop in quality, it's from First Class to Days of Future Past and then Apocalypse brings it back up.

BTW, it is now rumored there will be a "Thanos Edition" of Avengers: Infinity War with 30 additional minutes of Thanos' backstory. Sounds great to me!

The Thanos Extended Edition is NOT going to be released, is the last I heard of it. There is 30 extra minutes that was cut out of the movie, but the latest I heard was that those minutes will not be released.

[XanMan]

This is the last I have seen of it, and it was only from three days ago. If something else has popped up in the meantime, please share.

https://www.gamesradar.com/avengers-infinity-war-is-getting-an-extended-thanos-cut-with-an-extra-30-minutes-of-footage/

As far as Days of Future Past, I don't dislike it, but it's very hand-wavey for me. I have heard the Rogue Cut is better, so I may try that one some time, but I doubt it fixes the stuff that doesn't work for me, so it might make me slightly like it, but it won't get better than that. Here's some stuff that bugs me, though I honestly can't pinpoint exactly why I can't truly get into it:

1) Shadowcat should be the one going back in time, not Wolverine. I realize Wolvie is the most popular of the franchise, etc, but this would have been a perfect opportunity to explore their relationship that is so amazing in the comics and they decided not to; presumably because it was an easier write not to. That's never a good reason.

2) The serum. Really? I mean talk about a convenient plot device. It both inhibits powers and fixes spine injuries? Sure. Why not just put it in a time capsule Logan can dig up, inject one Sentinel with so it can spread a virus to all the other sentinels that make them all into happy rainbow robots that spread peace throughout the universe?

3) Quicksilver is not that much of a moron. I mean, I love his scenes; I really do. They're the best parts of the movie, but it takes him until after the events of the movie to figure out Magneto is his father? I will never buy that.

4) How the fuck is Mystique's ability to change her shape going to allow Sentinels to be able to adapt and copy the powers of mutants? Darwin (who is obviously dead at this time) and Mimic would have made more sense; which leads me to...

5) The entire plot of the movie was built around an excuse to keep Charles, Eric, and Mystique still around. I will grant that Charles should be there at least briefly, but we needed a movie that's about the X-Men; which we finally nearly got with Apocalypse, but apparently still aren't getting with Dark Phoenix. Yes, it's built around Jean, but I'm sure it'll be fucking Xavier that saves the day again. How the hell you make the Dark Phoenix Saga without Wolverine, I have no fucking idea.

6) DOFP wraps up way too easily. Mystique being scary as shit makes Nixon rethink that mutants are a threat? Xavier just lets Magneto fly off, knowing he will probably end up killing more people? What the fuck ever.


There are parts I do like; the stuff in the future is pretty cool, the Quicksilver scenes, Kennedy being a mutant, Charles quoting Logan back to him, Hank is always great; mostly it's just blah to me, though. The stuff above makes me just sit there thinking, "What am I watching?"

[mizfan]

That's an excellent breakdown and reminds me exactly of why I thought it was overrated at the time, mainly because it was heralded as the best X Men and I didn't think it was really even in that conversation. I still liked it more than you, I think, but still, that's an awesome post.