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[Powder]

I love this shit...

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[anonymous]

Watching them all over Lockdown and I’m shocked by how many weren’t as good as I remembered. Iron Mans 2 and 3 and GotG stood out as ones I’d loved that I fell out of love with. Black Panther felt overrated too.

[Samuel 'Plan]

Black Panther is a massively important film, but it is also immensely flawed no doubt. I've always enjoyed GOTG but not so much the Iron Man films. The only ones I really can't deal with though are Ant-Man 1, GOTG2 and Ragnarok.

[Powder]

Really? Ragnarok is just fun.

[The Cook]

Have to agree on Black Panther but Ragnarok and both GOTG films are incredibly fun. Both Ant-Man's are heavily reliant on your enjoyment of Paul Rudd, who I do like, but even then they still rank near the bottom for me

[Prime Time]

Ragnarok is the only one that didn't bore me at any point. All the others I have at least a stretch in where I'm thinking 'god, this is a bit crap really'. That said, I don't hate any of them - even Iron Man, which are my least favourites by a comfortable margin.

[Samuel 'Plan]

For me, GOTG2 and Ragnarok pursued laughs at the expense of everything else. Neither had much in the way of any real substantial plot, I'm pretty sure the former is unable to get through a single scene without trying to cram a punchline in and the latter watched like everyone had really gotten a bit bored of the whole superhero thing and decided to just say fuck it, we'll just piss about for two hours and slap an anachronistic soundtrack on the thing because, you know, that's what clever films do. I know a lot of people enjoyed the hell out of them and that's awesome, but I just found both of those movies particularly (and quite unbearably) obnoxious.

Ragnarok probably isn't helped by the fact that Hemsworth seems to have tried to reinvent himself as an improvisational comedian despite not especially being very funny.

[meandi]

The thing with Ragnarok (once you get past the comedy bits) is that it shows just how powerful Thor really is, which is pretty crucial for Infinity War. It also sets up his arc for End Game, as well.

[comfortablynumb]

The thing with Ragnarok (once you get past the comedy bits) is that it shows just how powerful Thor really is, which is pretty crucial for Infinity War. It also sets up his arc for End Game, as well.

Ragnarok was a great movie and I totally agree with the above comment. Him fighting on the bridge as Led Zeppelin played finally showcased his true powers and showed how badass he is. Great scene. The comedy bits gave him some much-needed personality too. He wasn’t ever boring but Ragnarok took the character to another level.

[meandi]

Ragnarok showed he was getting comfortable with himself after all he had been through and he realized he needed some humor in his life. (Even after Jane leaving him and his mother dying and the visions he saw in AoU...) He realized that sometimes life sucks, but you get through it. And then Odin died. Mjolnir was destroyed. Asgard burned down. But he was able to get some of his peeps out and they were hopeful for a new life in a new place where they could keep on keeping on. And there was hope until Thanos showed up and killed Loki and Heimdal. Even through that, he persevered. Leaving to the made up word planet so he could get a Thanos killing weapon (which didn’t actually work), and then becoming all depressed and yelling at random kids over console games... other than CapAm and Stark, Thor has had the greatest of arcs and I’m kind of excited to see where he goes from here.

[meandi]

Ragnarok probably isn't helped by the fact that Hemsworth seems to have tried to reinvent himself as an improvisational comedian despite not especially being very funny.

Double post within minutes, but fuck it- I’m drunk, and I just remembered this part...

Hemsworth is actually quite hilarious in other roles... that really bad Ghostbusters movie that came out a few years ago was only barely watchable because of Hemsworth and his role as the dumb receptionist. (We’ll just forget about later in the movie when he was possessed and dancing and whatnot...) Anyway- my point is this... Hemsworth can be hilarious. Perhaps some of the jokes in Ragnarok fell short because of Watiti and his writing/directing and not so much because Hemsworth and his delivery of what he was fed.

[Powder]

So I have been thinking after re-watching Infinity War and Endgame. Let's sum up. Thanos collects all 6 stones, snaps, and half of all life disappears. FIVE YEARS LATER. Avengers collect all 6 stones, Tony snaps, the half that Thanos snapped away instantly return.

This got me thinking a lot. There was 5 YEARS between snaps. 5 years. Not 5 minutes, days or weeks. Years. Why is this important? Because Thanos while insane also had a point. With half of all life gone for 5 years, where is all of the food and supplies going to come from when the half that Tony snapped back going to come from? Think about it. We have a pandemic going on and from March to June, there was almost no supplies left in the markets and stores with the existing population. Yes people were stockpiling but in the MCU half of all life was gone for 5 years. Then we instantly get around 4 billion people back and where will be the food and supplies to take care of them? Huge rush to the stores, and all of the food is gone, let alone toilet paper. The food producers will now have twice as much livestock to care for and feed. Where are they getting the food for them? People will starve more than prior to Thanos snapping.

Bringing back the population is actually more harmful than losing them, if you think about it.


Second thought. After re-watching Logan, the time line is confusing. What time line is it? The original X-Men, because Charles states that the Statue of Liberty was a long time ago. 29 years in the movies timeline, as it is set in 2029, and X-Mex took place in 2000. But that is not my concern. If we take the timesline from the original X-Men, Logan got his adamantium in 1977 at Three Mile Island, and every day his healing ability slowly wears down due to it constantly fighting the adamantium. That is the point of Logan. So why is this important? For two reasons.

1. It took basically 52 years for Logan's healing ability to lose the fight with adamantium, so Laura will have no where near the lifespan of Logan, as she had her adamantium implanted within the last year or so, so she has roughly 50 years left, and the clock is ticking.

2. Laura's body will also be in a different battle within itself and be in constant pain because of the adamantium. When Logan had the adamantium grafted to him, he was already a fully grown adult. Laura on the other hand was around 10-11 years old when her adamantium was grafted, as shown in the movie. So as she grows her bones will constantly fight against an indestructible metal. Her body will never grow properly and she probably will become physically twisted and deformed. The adamantium will restrict her growth and warp the bone growth, let alone skull.

So if Laura can live the 50ish years, she will never be healthy, happy, and appear normal.

[meandi]

Your first thought- good job, it took you over a year to realize what pretty much everyone else came to the conclusion of within days of the movie coming out.

Your second thought- 1) Days of Future Past erased the events of Wolverine: Origins. In the new continuity, Logan didn’t get his adamantium until the 80s as evidenced by X-Men: Apocalypse. 2) Logan was a couple hundred years old when his body started giving out on him. That probably had more to do with it than just the adamantium. (Granted, the adamantium probably exacerbated it a great deal.) Also... comic book science. It’s never consistent, so take that for what it’s worth.


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After giving this a bit more thought in regards to DoFP changing events, it could be argued that because of that X-Men shouldn’t have taken place then, thus the call back to the Statue of Liberty shouldn’t be a thing or make any sense when Xavier mentions it. However, there’s a theory when it comes to time travel and changing the past and the whole butterfly effect thing afterwards that states certain moments in time are so paramount that they are destined to always happen no matter what. Thirty different little things could’ve changed after DoFP (for example- Logan getting his adamantium several years later than when he originally did), but the major events are still going to happen no matter what.

[Powder]

I just read this: In Logan it is mentioned that the mutant cure is now present in everyday corn syrup, implying that Logan's healing factor is depleting now of all times because he has unknowingly consumed the cure through food products. It's also why he is aging significantly faster than he ever has.

Hmmm..i never noticed that line in the movie.

[meandi]

Maybe it’s too soon, but with the death of Chadwick Boseman, I’ve been curious how Disney/Marvel are going to react as far as possibly having to replace him. And the best idea I’ve come up with is to write a few (extra) scenes into Doctor Strange 2. They are apparently going to explore the multiverse with that movie, so maybe they should go all in with the concept and get really crazy with it. Show a scene where T’Challa has been pronounced dead for whatever reason off screen. Have Doctor Strange say something like “No... we need the Black Panther”, so Strange travels to a different universe to seek out another version of Black Panther. Only in the universe he goes to, he finds that T’Challa is already dead there, as well, and Erik Killmonger (a good guy in this universe... not the bitter, pissed off one we saw in the first Black Panther) has taken up the mantle. This would be a good way of getting Michael B. Jordan back into the MCU, and I think it would be a cool way to replace Chadwick Boseman instead of just pulling a Rhodey and replacing him with no mention made whatsoever.