Marvel Cinematic Universe - All Marvel Movie/TV discussion

[Powder]

I will concede that Fury may not have been directly implying that Pierce cost him his eye, but Fury was definitely implying that "the last time I trusted someone, I lost and eye" was someone of relevance. Not a cat which is a disguised Flerkin that got "mad" at him and subsequently took his eye.

I have read a few of the theories and the rationalizations about why the trust was broken between Fury and Goose making his quote technically true, but again, it is just that. Someone who was caught in the middle of a questionable act and rationalizing the act to make it sound good. It is just lazy writing, and went with Goose taking Fury's eye, because that was the running joke of the movie.

The MCU should have handled that much better.


But continuing the plot holes. Besides Steve Rogers, we never find out anyone's age in the MCU, including Phil Coulson, but in Iron Man set in 2008 (present day at the time), Coulson is clearly in his mid 40s (Clark Gregg was 45-46 at the time). The if we jump back 13 years he is around 32-33 and Fury calls him kid and a rookie. Is he really a kid? I know older agents/officers etc refer to the fresh faces as kids, but someone in their 30's? It may have been true that Coulson was a rookie SHIELD agent, but a kid?

[meandi]

Typically, age doesn’t matter when calling someone “kid”. I’m in my mid-30s and I get referred to kid all the time. Granted, I still look like I’m mid-20s, though.

[mizfan]

Isn't part of Fury's whole deal is that he'll bend the truth to make a point or get what he wants? Hardly seems beyond the pale that he might imply something different about his eye, especially says he does the same sort of thing in Captain Marvel when he lets Coulson think he lost it while being tortured.

[JacobWrestledGod]

The Nick Fury part is certainly a recon. Having a complex story with Captain Marvel like how powder did it would have added so much more complexity and nuance to the character of both Fury and Marvel. They messed up

[Samuel 'Plan]

I'm not entirely certain how much it really matters in the long run how Fury lost his eye or told someone he lost his eye, honestly. I don't think they messed up so much as just didn't really feel all that bothered about something I imagine most casual cinema goers won't think twice about. But that said, I found Captain Marvel strikingly ordinary, as indeed are the majority of Marvel's stand-alone flicks. Just my two pennies.

[Powder]

You are right that Fury's eye really does not matter in the grand scheme of the storytelling, but it could have been the reason or at least part of the reason that Fury never called Captain Marvel prior to Infinity War.

It is like why the Star Wars prequels failed. We all knew the end result, being the Holy Trilogy, and we all expected that we would get all of the reasons of what led to Anakin becoming Vader and what happened with the rise of the Empire. But we got a shitty, and real shitty story of Anakin and a creepy romance with Padme, a completely political movie in TPM, a terrible Clone Wars, Jar Jar Binks, and a waste of the fall of Anakin becoming Vader in ROTS.

Rogue One was amazing in that it really explained the plot hole of the Death Star, gave us the Vader scene that we all wanted in the prequel trilogy, and was like 15 minutes prior to Star Wars. That was how to do a prequel.

Captain Marvel could have went so far with explanations, but it didn't, and it failed in that regard. But the movie was entertaining, but it fell short.

[Powder]

Marvel geeks. Question:

If Mjolnir is only able to be picked up by those who are worthy, what happens if Hulk or Iron Man pick up Thor who is holding Mjolnir? Would they not be able to lift him?

[meandi]

Pretty sure they still could. I have a hunch it has to do with the direct touch of Mjolnir. To give an example, if it was just on the ground, I have a feeling it would withstand any blast from Tony or not budge if Hulk tried to kick it. But it’s been shown that both guys are able able to blast or punch Thor and send him flying when he’s holding it.

[Powder]

I am going away on a cruise from Sunday 4/21 to Sunday 4/28, which means I am missing opening weekend for Endgame. I got my tickets for Tuesday 4/30, and when I come back, for 2 days I am avoiding the internet so I do not hear one thing.

It is killing me that I can't see it opening weekend.

[T.O.]

It's alright, I end up defeating Thanos anyways.

[Prime Time]

Avengers Endgame - SPOILERS

Starting a thread where people can discuss the new Marvel film in detail, without blocking up the main MCU thread with a lot of spoiler talk. So, my suggestion is that if you missed the big hint in the title about spoilers and you don't want the movie spoiled, that you click back now before you get any more information.















I assume that those of you who are still here have seen the film, or don't really give a damn about knowing what happens before you go in. So have at it. Discuss the ins and outs in as much detail as you like.

[meandi]

Seeing it tomorrow at 2pm CST. Will give feedback/review when I get home. Any questions asked of me will get full spoilers if anyone is interested.

[comfortablynumb]

I just got back from seeing it. It was a great conclusion, very emotional and there’s a lot to process. Don’t think too hard about trying to make logical sense of things though haha.

[meandi]

So even though the thread title clearly states “spoilers”... are we gonna give it a few days for people to be able to catch it over the weekend before outright discussion? Or is it one of those “if you can’t read the thread title, sucks for you” kind of things?

[comfortablynumb]

I think it’s “if you get spoiled, sucks for you.” That said I’m still going to be vague until others start giving their opinions of the film.