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[Powder]

Are you referring to his cameo? if so, there is a huge mistake/problem with it. I do not want to spoil what happens, but it makes a HUGE paradox in the MCU.


Also, there is another major continuity problem with Captain Marvel and it has to deal with Nick Fury. No spoilers, so I'll wait to discuss until about a week or so.

[comfortablynumb]

I’m talking about the usual Marvel page flip at the beginning of every movie being changed in this one.

[Powder]

yes it did. It was a nice tribute to Stan.

[meandi]

I know a few of you have said you’re avoiding End Game trailers so as to go in completely fresh and blind, but for those that care, a new trailer dropped.

[comfortablynumb]

So little footage but so much to takeaway. Nebula in the same costume as the others (did it look like a quantum realm-type suit?) is weird and awesome. The Thor-Captain Marvel exchange was great too and hints at something big that many predicted. Looks fantastic.

Whatever it takes.

[meandi]

Loved the visual of what looks like Scott making it back out of the quantum realm and looking on in utter confusion with the missing signs on the telephone pole. (Almost reminds me of episode 1 of TWD when Rick comes out of his coma.) And it seems like a bit of time has lapsed since IW. I’m really hoping we get a quick explanation of the time jump. Just an “I went in on such and such date... what’s the date now?

[anonymous]

James Gunn being rehired is excellent news, if not just because it livens up the 3rd film and makes me believe it’ll happen. I didn’t before. GOTG3 is possible the Marvel film I’m most looking forward to.

[meandi]

That’s awesome

[Gooner]

Watched Captain Marvel over the weekend. I enjoyed it for what it's worth. It did feel like a phase one film, especially in it's structure. But I suspect that was what the film producers were going for.

I think the biggest takeaway for me was portraying Captain Marvel as a genuine match for Thanos, and seemingly more powerful than the other heroes. It does beg the question why she hadn't been paged before (like say, in the first Avengers movie, with Loki and his men invading Earth!!??), but if you ignore that particular aspect, I think you can forgive the small other plot holes that are present (there's not many, but like Powder said earlier, they can be a little annoying looking back).

Very excited for Avengers: Endgame now. Just a month to go!

Oh, and Goose the Cat rules.

[mizfan]

Everything between Samuel L Jackson and the cat was pure gold. Actually everything with Jackson in general, really enjoyed his performance. I liked the movie as well, not the best Marvel ever but it was very fun and had some great visuals, and a not entirely predictable plot to boot.

[Powder]

So now that Captain Marvel has been out for over 2 weekends, I want to discuss the plot hole that deals with Nick Fury.

SPOILERS BELOW. Skip if you do not want to read.










So we find out that Goose the cat is what causes Fury's scars and loss of eye. That was a running joke within the movie about how Fury's eye gets injured, but it ends up being Goose the cat.

In The Winter Soldier, Fury takes off his patch and states:

Last time I trusted someone, I lost an eye. Look, I didn't want you doing anything you weren't comfortable with.

Clearly implying that he lost his eye when he trusted Alexander Pierce.

Why would Fury make that implication, if he knew that he lost the eye by the scratch Goose who is really a Flerkin, where was the distrust? Just because he liked the cat, and the cat had his back and saved him, Goose was a cat, and scratched Fury. There really was no distrust. There have been many, many articles on this exact situation throughout the net, entertainment sites, forums etc. And all they do is rationalize, that Fury trusted Goose, and Goose made him lose the eye.

Please. To quote Deadpool, that is just lazy writing.

In Winter Soldier, it is clearly implied that Fury lost his eye by trusting Pierce, or at least someone much closer to Fury. But to have Fury like the cat only for it to scratch his eye out? That is really bad.

Marvel (the company) has to know that the fans pay attention to their universe that they created, and to retcon that is just awful. It would have made much more sense, or at least a better explanation if Captain Marvel somehow made Fury lose the eye by shooting him out of anger or by accident, but at the end of the day she still gives Fury the beeper. Then when she leaves, Fury is still pissed at her, but says something along the lines of..."I am still not fully sure I can trust you again, but I will call only if absolutely necessary."

That one line would explain why Fury doesn't call Marvel during the Avengers, because he still doesn't trust her, and during Ultron, he knows that the Avengers beat an alien force, so they could most likely take care of Ultron.

But in Infinity War, when Fury hears over the radio about Aliens in Wakanda, and people start disintegrating, he takes out the beeper. That one slight change to the movie and Fury quote would completely explain everything away.

[meandi]

I’ve watched Winter Soldier, like, a bazillion times. (My fav film other than Civil War...) Fury never once made it clear that him losing his eye was due to Pierce. It was a throw-away line that was just a MacGuffin in order for him to pull up the patch.

[Gooner]

Yeah I always treated it as more of a throwaway line instead of an implication.

Looking at the scar in Winter Soldier, it does resemble a scratch in a way. It's not one big scar, more like 3 or 4 strands.

The plot hole I meant regarding Fury was a picture in Winter Soldier showing Fury getting his promotion with both eyes intact. Obviously, that seems to now be at odds with Captain Marvel.

Like I said, it's very small things, but they are noticeable.

[Powder]

Fury's line about his eye is clearly not a throw away line because if it was, there would be no reason for him to say it. Throw away lines are like Hawkeye's in Ultron. "No one would, know." That is highly memorable, but a throw away line as it does not pertain to the plot or anything really, except his jovial frustration.

Fury clearly states that he was betrayed by someone with whom he trusted, and he lost a freaking eye over it! And telling this to Cap was meant so that he would not trust the wrong person or more specifically...to quote SCSA...DTA...Don't trust nobody..

But again the MCU has usually been really good at continuity, and why do not they have someone who is a nerd like us to take into account all of these nuances so that there will not be any loopholes and plot holes.

I mean how hard would it have been to do something like I already stated:

if Captain Marvel somehow made Fury lose the eye by shooting him out of anger or by accident, but at the end of the day she still gives Fury the beeper. Then when she leaves, Fury is still pissed at her, but says something along the lines of..."I am still not fully sure I can trust you again, but I will call only if absolutely necessary."

That one line would explain why Fury doesn't call Marvel during the Avengers, because he still doesn't trust her, and during Ultron, he knows that the Avengers beat an alien force, so they could most likely take care of Ultron.

But in Infinity War, when Fury hears over the radio about Aliens in Wakanda, and people start disintegrating, he takes out the beeper. That one slight change to the movie and Fury quote would completely explain everything away.

This would have kept up the continuity, and explained his eye, and explained why Fury did not call CM until IW. It may not be to everyone's liking, but it closes the plot holes.

[Gooner]

Well, that's ok. Personally, I disagree. I don't think Fury is solely implying he lost his eye due to trusting Pierce. I interpreted as simply last time he trusted someone, he lost an eye. Sure, didn't expect it to be a cat, but I think that's still a fair and believable quote.