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02-16-2009, 05:54 PM
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Please Please No More! - the ECW Complaint Dept.
How much longer is Ecw going to be on our screens. When Vince first brought it back it was watchable. I thought it started to go downhill when they had the silly storyline where Paul Heyman had them 2 security guards. Little did I know it would get worse. The only Ecw original left is glorified scud Tommy Dreamer who is going down the Ric Flair road, only difference is nobody cares. There is a roster of about 12 or so wrestlers, half of which are only ever on Tv once in awhile:
Boogeyman - still waiting for him to wrestle someone decent and for him to do more than 2 moves Miz and Morrison - Spend more time on Raw and Smackdown (in better matches too) Finlay - Crap ever since Hornswaggle story Ricky Ortiz - Absolutely crap (especially his finsher), very part time! Jack Swagger - Good wrestler, shame about lisp and gormless look etc..etc.. Sorry to go on but I tape it every week in hope of it getting better and it never does. This leads me to this question, does Vince actually watch this rubbish? 
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02-16-2009, 06:01 PM
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Bitching about WWE ECW stopped being cool in 2007. It serves it's purpose and isn't that bad. Christian, Finlay, Swagger, and Dreamer put togheter a decent show for it's timeslot.
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02-16-2009, 06:16 PM
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I didn't complain. I just changed the channel lol. And look what happened! I missed the return of Christian! It gives me a reason to watch it now...I hope,
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02-16-2009, 06:47 PM
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About just as much as everyone else who shits on ECW does.
Upon doing some research, I'm now not surprised at ECW's awesome being the spiritual successor of Velocity. If you go through the history of Velocity, it was putting out shows that were often more consistently good than Heat, RAW, and Smackdown! at the time. They just weren't marketed worth a flying shit. Bryan Danielson was a regular on Velocity, in fact. So..for those of you saying to rename ECW Velocity, you aren't quite insulting it..as Velocity is still probably ten times better than any other "product" currently on television.
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02-16-2009, 06:49 PM
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ECW is great way to bring in FCW developed talents on to national TV. Its a great wrestling show.
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02-16-2009, 06:51 PM
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02-16-2009, 07:45 PM
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Legend Killer, the old ECW is gone, and it won't be coming back. This new ECW consistentely provides the best hour of wrestling on TV, and is of a higher quality than Raw or Smackdown, and shits all over TNA. ECW is a great show.
Simply put, if you don't like what you see, don't watch. Plenty of people do like this ECW, and plenty of people can stand to watch it.
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02-16-2009, 07:54 PM
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Rookie stars like CM Punk or Kofi and a few others started off in ECW. Look how far CM has gone Winning Major titles here and there.
ECW is a good place for stars to develop and learn the game. Plus if you watch it they always have a decent crowd. Also in terms of matches there's plenty of wrestling going on. Less promos and more action. Believe it or not ECW is here to stay.
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02-16-2009, 08:06 PM
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ECW..it is what it is. As others have stated its a pretty good show for its timeslot,purpose and position. Its not the WWE's flagship show and its not the classic ECW that everyone misses, but it is the national tv breeding ground for young superstars. I think its a well booked show with pretty good matches. Simplicity works.
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02-16-2009, 08:50 PM
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ECW is a great wrestling show. It can fit 4 matches into an hour, giving us more wrestling over everything else. As for people saying that this ruins ECW's legacy, the options were simple. Either name it Nitro, which I'm sure WCW haters would have loved. It is better than Heat, no matter what ACP says. And finally, I like the lisp, Christian, and a midget all on the same show. Is that so wrong?
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02-17-2009, 12:03 AM
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My complaint with anything WWE is how stale things get. Wrestlemania 25 is looking like a major bore to me as there's nothing in the main event that could possibly draw me to buy a non-WM PPV. No Way Out was interesting to me because of the chance to see Rey, Kofi and Knox in the same ring as Cena, Jericho and Kane. But as I stated before the reset, last years main event scene had Triple H, Cena, Edge, Orton, and Undertaker. Up to now, it looks like this year's main events will consist of Triple H, Cena, Edge, Orton, and Undertaker. (I have not yet watched Raw, so I may be missing out on something that will change this opinion.) So lots of times, I'll skip the main events on Raw or Smackdown because I've seen everything.
But ECW is different. No matter the talent or match quality, I am rarely watching ECW and thinking "Seen it". And that's a big draw for me. I know they had a long series of main event feuds (how many Hardy vs Henry matches did we see?) but the main events are always changing. Because the roster is always changing. For that reason alone, I love ECW. I am not a huge Ricky Ortiz fan, but I'd rather watch him in his 10th ever WWE match and slowly watch him evolve and grow, then watch almost any combination of the above main event roster. Adding a big name like Christian to the mix, with fresh matches against everyone on the roster to look forward to, will be fantastic. ECW is my favorite hour of wrestling a week. I wont' say it's the best show, but for a single hour, it is better than the stuff that waters down Raw or SD into 2 hours.
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02-17-2009, 12:13 AM
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It's just not true. ECW sometimes has good matches, but not more often than any other WWE show. Seriously, I find myself scratching my head when trying to understand the rationale behind this argument. Just because ECW is pretty much only wrestling, doesn't make it good wrestling.
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02-17-2009, 12:14 AM
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02-17-2009, 12:18 AM
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^But you see, this is exactly my point. I can't say that "Raw matches are better than ECW matches", or vice-versa, because matches and match quality vary from week to week. That's why it doesn't make sense to just say "the wrestling on ECW is better", especially when you consider that the best wrestlers on ECW quite often wrestle on other shows as well.
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02-17-2009, 12:21 AM
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02-17-2009, 12:24 AM
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It's hard to avoid the same matches every week. It can be a good thing though, too. Once you get guys like Boogeyman and Ortiz off the roster, they have guys that can work.
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02-17-2009, 12:31 AM
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02-17-2009, 01:56 AM
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This again, this is probaly about the fourth anti- WWECW thread that ive seen, so this should prove that not everyone is slurping that Kool-aid and that people really dont like the new show. I dont care either way, if it stays okay, if it goes wouldnt miss it, I gave up complaining about this show when I kept reading the same pro- ECW arguments, many of which are posted here, and realized that no matter what you say, someone somewhere is going to come up with a gem like "If you dont like it dont watch/change the channel", hey i got one "If you dont like it gouge out your eyes". Also have read "its the best hour of wrestling on TV", yes youre right it is the best HOUR of wrestling, youre not going to find another HOUR of wrestling like it, that is until Superstars debuts, then it will become the best HOUR of wrestling. If I remember, Ill watch it, if i dont no big deal, I dont have it programmed like Raw and SD, I will try to watch it more now that one of my faves, Christian is back, but thatll only be for a few months until he works the rust off and moves on to the red or blue team. Bottom line this new ECW isnt going anywhere no matter how many people dislike it, b/c there is always going to be an equal amount of people who do like it and its those people that Vinny Mac and his bank account care about
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02-17-2009, 02:18 AM
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ECW has changed, nothing wrong with that, because the promotion of the sport has changed. The role it plays is necessary, to provide some tv time where guys breaking in can have exposure. Seems to work quite well actually, and when you through in guys like Finley and Christen, who can offer their experience it works even better. From the looks of it they can keep doing this as in many ways Christian is taking over where Matt Hardy left, and we can have this happen every year or so in order to maintain productive.
I understand why you might want ECW of old, but you have to realize that it is gone, and has pretty much been gone for almost ten year. Move on with the program, find and alternative, if a niece brand is what you are after ROH has some cool stuff, and recently gained a tv deal, if heavy violence is your thing check out something like CZW, but face facts, ECW is gone, you can enjoy the past product as much as you like, however it will never be revived again.
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02-17-2009, 06:32 AM
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Just to clear things up I was never a hardcore old ecw fan and have no interest in ecw going back to how it was. But what is the point of it being called ecw? The e doesn't mean extreme anymore so why not change the name to dwe (developmental wrestling entertainment). I appreciate that lots of people love it but surely someone must agree. If most of you on this thread are saying "it's not the old ecw anymore so get over it" then surely the name should change. 2nd thing is why don't they put their proper development league on instead?
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02-17-2009, 07:27 AM
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02-17-2009, 07:32 AM
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Everyone else can deal with it being called ECW. Maybe you should learn to deal with it.
The fact is that it started as ECW to bring the people in, and now ECW is just a name. It still provides the best hour of wrestling on TV, and in that respect it matches up with the old ECW and lives up to that legacy. And why should they put the development league on? Those guys aren't ready for TV yet. ECW is an intermediate step between development and the two main brands, while also providing a good title match. It's also a place where they can put a wrestler like Mark Henry, who has become mega stale, and they can repackage him sort of, and then they can put him back on the main brands, while still keeping him in the public's eye.
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02-17-2009, 08:31 AM
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No in all seriousness it's just developed like this 2006 - Toned down version of ECW 2007 - More wrestling 2008 - No fueds basically 2009 - ? Basically advertising and whatev's. I mean if WWE were to open up a new show called "Battlefield" do you think it would spark up as much interest as "ECW"?
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02-17-2009, 10:27 AM
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Kafu of course you would....
But I was on about your casual mark. (Or steve for that matter  )But yeah you get my point.
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02-17-2009, 02:32 PM
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ECW is probably the most useful show WWE is. It's a great place where the wrestlers who are ready to leave development but still not ready to go to the big brands can fix whatever they need to fix.
It has been largely successful. Helped Miz and Morrison become the WWE's most credible tag team. Built Kofi up to where he became IC champ. CM Punk became World Champ. Re-established the credibility of Mark Henry and Shelton Benjamin. Mike Knox has become a fairly major player Hell, before he left, freaking Viscera was made to look like a major threat because of this time on ECW.
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02-17-2009, 02:40 PM
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02-17-2009, 03:54 PM
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Just because he's not the most mobile man doesn't mean that Mark Henry isn't a believable threat.
RAW isn't edgy anymore. THEY NEED TO CHANGE THE NAME IT'S NOT THE ATTITUDE ERA RAW I KNEW AND LOVED!
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02-17-2009, 04:01 PM
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ECW is around for three reasons
1. To showcase new talent (this has been explored) 2. To give stars one more chance to re-establish themselves before they are either released or jobbed. 3. To give aging former (or future) main eventers a title reign where they would headline a show. its like a carrot for the stars that have been putting people over or doing their job backstage. oh and legendkiller77, the thing was that before the new ECW any time an out of control spot was done or an ex ECW star would appear on TV the fans would chant "ECW ECW". Imagine if you are Vince McMahon and people are chanting another company's name, a company that you funded. Oh and The Rise and Fall of ECW is one of the top 10 DVD releases in the history of the WWE, oh yeah and the One Night Stand PPV was so successful that it was one of the best PPVs of the year in content. It sparked the fanbase. I personally think the focus of ECW also got Terry Funk into the Hall of Fame. So vince could now take somthing that was out of his control and put the Vince mark on the memory when someone mentions ECW.
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02-17-2009, 04:08 PM
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I think the biggest problem ECW has right now is it's rather shallow roster. It's roughly half that of RAW and Smackdown. They could pull the plug on it at anytime and I wouldn't bat an eye. There is no substance to the product overall when you think about it. That includes RAW and Smackdown as well. I think if things are going to get better, ECW needs to be eliminated. Split the ECW roster in half and add one half to the U.S. title division on Smackdown, and the other half to the IC title division on RAW. Either give the Divas their own hour show in the ECW time slot and get them off RAW and Smackdown, or get rid of them altogether and just let them be valets. Get some more tag teams on both shows. A LOT more tag teams. End feuds AT Wrestlemania. Not before. Use SNME for the purpose of RAW/Smackdown crossover matches and ONLY SNME for that purpose. There is no reason to continue with the charade of the brand extension if you are gonna have guys floating from show to show. Or just end the brand extension experiment altogether. But at the end of the day ECW has to go. There is no way around it.
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02-17-2009, 04:19 PM
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but we are already too full of talent now, in fact so many wrestlers stay home and are released because they cant find somthing to do with three shows, in fact, ECW creates a place where the unused talent actually gets to wrestle and have (limited) feuds, but honestly the truth about the E is that the brands interpromote all the time and the (Brand Split) is almost non existant. I mean seriously a Smackdown star holds the WWE and World heavyweight championships, John Cena is performing on Smackdown this week and Matt hardy and John Morrison (ok and the Miz) do it all the time. a feud very rarily gets done properly on the big shows and we can go a whole week without seeing a continuation on a feud as it is. The fact that the roster of talent does not interest you may be a flaw with the product as a whole but not with ECW
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02-17-2009, 04:28 PM
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That's a creative department problem. There is plenty of air time for everybody but it is wasted on BS that no one cares about anyway. All the in ring promos, backstage promos, and other extra curricular nonsense that goes on no wonder there is no time and people are being sent home.
However the same thing would happen to ECW if they increased the roster so that isn't a good enough reason to save it. This ECW really serves no purpose at all other than basically being a "Tough Enough" brand by letting guys get the kinks knocked out before moving on to one of the two big shows. Hmm, now that I think of it, that wouldn't be a bad ider. Make ECW the "Tough Enough" brand and let it be a televised farm-system. That essentially is what the original ECW was when you really think about it. Maybe that is how Vince looks at ECW because that is how he always looked at it. He admitted that he always had a vested interest in the success of ECW.
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02-17-2009, 04:31 PM
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He had a vested interest because he enjoyed watching Paul E badmouth the shit of the WCW, I mean the harder you pushed ECW the more it pissed off Ted. Look how fast Vince hired Paul for on air talent, Vince pushed the shit out of Paul E as a thank you.
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02-17-2009, 04:51 PM
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Christian is in ECW. That is enough reason to watch on its own.
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02-17-2009, 05:10 PM
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D2k you have impressed me and helped me on this thread. Your ideas make sense and it's nice to hear from someone with some similar views.
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