Do you think Hulk Hogan is ruining TNA?

[AhmadHBK]

Do you think Hulk Hogan is ruining TNA?

[Rated R]

Simply put, yes.

[Chrisbear]

when it comes to TNA...even with Hogan, i always think

"you cant polish a turd"

[Hollywood Hogan]

not this again

He has done far more positives than negatives, aswell as ratings have gone up quite abit.

I can go into it deeper but can't bebothered atm

[Irishsara]

you want to know what worse? Bishoff and Russo in a tag team of suck.

[JobberSquash]

No. As others have said, ratings have gone up since he's come in, not to mention, everyone is talking about TNA now and weren't before, both fans that are interested in the TNA product, and those fans that are against TNA and are constantly bitching about the supposed backstage problems, which I'll say again, I think is all a work. They've been swerving the IWC, which is smart, and the recent Jerry Saggs crack on Jay Lethal is most likely also fabricated. The storylines going on are a hell of alot more interesting than anything going on in WWE, not to mention, they're TV 14

[Brooklyn]

Wow we're about a month in. I think its too soon to judge whether or not someone is ruining a company. I know we live in a microwave society but we can't adequate judge the impact of Hogan just yet.

[LimeFlavored]

Originally Posted by JobberSquash

No. As others have said, ratings have gone up since he's come in, not to mention, everyone is talking about TNA now and weren't before, both fans that are interested in the TNA product, and those fans that are against TNA and are constantly bitching about the supposed backstage problems, which I'll say again, I think is all a work. They've been swerving the IWC, which is smart, and the recent Jerry Saggs crack on Jay Lethal is most likely also fabricated. The storylines going on are a hell of alot more interesting than anything going on in WWE, not to mention, they're TV 14

I really hope you're right. But, they're going to lose people in the long term if they keep this shit up, me being one of them... and I really liked TNA before Hogan.

[D2K]

Originally Posted by AhmadHBK

Do you think Hulk Hogan is ruining TNA?

Well I think the tense is wrong. I think that he has RUINED TNA. It's not irreparably damaged but every thing that TNA had going for it has been wiped out in less than a month. The only positive thing he has done is get rid of that stupid six-sided ring. Other than that I've seen he and Bischoff's lips moving a lot, but not a lot of results. If they were really serious about turning things around and not repeating the same mistakes as WCW then they would not have insisted on being on-air talents and would not have brought all their has-been buddies. Any ratings increase I feel is out of curiosity of what fossil they are gonna bring in next and not based on the quality of the product.

Bringing in a Ric Flair to mentor A.J. Styles is fine. I like that move. The rest of the guys need to go home.

[uknowmyname]

NO...so far it looks like its been pretty damn successful but honestly Bischoff is probably the reason its doing well NOT Hogan.

[Power Windows]

Hogan can't hurt.

And like Brooklyn said we're only a month in, I like the way things are going so far.

[Killswitch]

Yes, he absolutely has. Ratings have only risen by small percentages, and the product is suffering from all the old stars, never were stars and never will be stars that are coming in.

Hogan thinks he is a messiah, when in reality, he is slowly killing any hope TNA ever had, despite the fact they never really had hope in the first place.

I give it two months before Hogan is TNA World Champ, and then things will nosedive even further.

[jibran]

The ratings have not improved as much as were expected. And the way things are going now...you could almost get a feeling of deja vu coz things are going the same way as in the case of WCW. Think about it, older stars being pushed. Newer stars getting buried.
I dont think we can count AJ Styles as being 'pushed' after Hogan came in coz he was already the champion. I just hope that AJ Styles doesnt get reduced to midcard status by the end of the year.
I personally dont think Hogan was required in TNA. Bischoff maybe. but Hogan...I dont think so..
Dont get me wrong...i still believe Hogan was perhaps the only reason of the popularity of wrestling in the 1980s. but remember, tht was 20 years ago...Hogan is old and hasnt changed at all...remember his rivalry with shawn michaels? "Same Old Stuff"?
And cheap shots to the WWE (referring to "whatcha gonna do Vince McMahon, when TNA and all these Hulkamaniacs run wild on you?!") wont improve ratings!
Unless hogan and bischoff refrain from repeating their WCW mistakes, and Hogan STAYS OUT OF THE RING...we would very soon see a DVD titled "Rise and fall of TNA"

[Hollywood Hogan]

I'll list the positive's I think he's done.

Brought in:
-Ken Anderson
-Ric Flair as mentor of A.J.Styles (great move)
-Jeff Hardy
-Val Venis

-New TNA logo that looks good (the old one looked crap)
-4 sided ring
-much better set than before
-TNA ratings have gone up with highest ratings ever
-1.88 rating, highest rating easily, and Hogan's segment was going up against Bret Hart's comeback segment.
-TNA only got Monday Night because of Hogan. If it wasn't for his star power, they wouldn't have gone on Monday night.
-Impact has become better to watch than RAW.
Unlike Raw, it at least sometimes gives you that ''What's next?'' factor since Hogan came. Where as before Hogan came, Impact was abit dullish at times and nothing to get really excited about.

As for negatives, the ''Orlando screw job'' was bad, however they at least done away with that pretty quickly.
Many people were quick to say that TNA was going to nosedive after that, and go out of business, however WWE has done 20 times worse storylines over the years... Katie Vick, Al Wilson dieing, Vince McMahon bomb attack etc. which made you embarrassed to watch the product infront of non wrestling fans, yet people still watch it.

I give it two months before Hogan is TNA World Champ, and then things will nosedive even further.

This is one example of typical way over the top negative comments from the internet wrestling community.
Do u really think Hogan is going to be TNA champion in 2 months when he can't even wrestle at the moment because of injuries? come on? lol

I mean people are entitled to their opinion, but some people just look for a way of being overly negative with over the top exaggerations which is unnecessary.

As for Hogan and Bischoff pushing the young guys, it's easier said than done, as lets be honest, TNA doesn't really have much younger talent that could be the next hugely over superstars of tomorrow like a Hogan, Rock, Austin, Triple H etc. let alone be good enough to steer TNA towards taking on the WWE.
Therefore it's alot easier said than done.

[Box Car Rocco]

No.

Even if TNA was being ruined, everything has to go past Dixie before it gets aired... She kind of does own TNA y'know.

[Hustle]

The answer? No.

Lemme know when the ratings start going down and dip below the levels they were at before he showed up. Whether they're up 1% or 101%, they're still up. Apparently there are math wizards at LoP who are unaware of this fact.

Does this mean he's doing nothing but good things and he's everything he said he is? No, but TNA is in a better position RIGHT THIS SECOND than they were before Hogan showed up. News flash to some of you.. just because YOU don't like a company's product, that doesn't mean said product is a failure. You're not as important as you like to think you are, you know.

[The End]

Like Brooklyn said, it's premature to say. Is TNA going in the wrong direction? I don't think so. I don't like that they've brought in some fossils, but I understand why they did it. There are a lot of lapsed wrestling fans who don't know the TNA roster, so in bringing in guys that they'd be familiar with might get them to give TNA a try. Same with Bubba-- not my cup o' tea, but he's got a big fanbase, so there's crossover potential. The four sided ring is an improvement, but that ramp needs to go. Flair as a manager is great and really past due. I hope Ric sticks with it and gets more wrestlers under his tutelage. The move to Monday nights is a calculated risk. Spike seems cooperative, so if it doesn't work they'll likely just move Impact back to Thursday. They got Jeff Hardy, and provided he stays out of the hoosegow, they've got his fans. They haven't given the Knockouts the short shrift, and guys like Pope, A.J., Joe, Hernandez, Morgan, etc. are still featured players. Hogan and co. are trying. I think making competing with WWE their top priority could be a mistake, but at least they're not ignoring the 800 lb. gorilla.

The only thing I want them to fix right away is how these shows open and close. The title cards at the beginning of the show are fucking stupid, and the last couple weeks have had some facepalm worthy endings. I thought The Passion of the Bischoff was so bad it was hilarious, but Grumpy Old Men 3 was just sad. Eventually they're going to have to step up production values as well, but that's down the road. Give it a few more months. Hogan and Bischoff aren't stupid and Dixie Carter isn't going broke.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Hustle

Lemme know when the ratings start going down and dip below the levels they were at before he showed up. Whether they're up 1% or 101%, they're still up. Apparently there are math wizards at LoP who are unaware of this fact.

Could've saved my fingers. That's the only quantifiable stat and that's all that matters in television.

[Section ( 8 )]

Ratings were down from this past Thursday, so they are slipping back to their status quo. Although I attribute that to being so deep into taped shows.

Is this week's taped from two months ago too?

That's always been one of TNA's biggest weakness. There was no reason for this. They could have done a taping in England. It would make things interesting. And don't tell me about the cost of doing that, since Panda opened up their wallet to Hogan and his short bus of old friends.

[Flikk]

Originally Posted by Hollywood Hogan

As for Hogan and Bischoff pushing the young guys, it's easier said than done, as lets be honest, TNA doesn't really have much younger talent that could be the next hugely over superstars of tomorrow like a Hogan, Rock, Austin, Triple H etc. let alone be good enough to steer TNA towards taking on the WWE.
Therefore it's alot easier said than done.

disregarding the fact that at one point in time Bischoff had Austin, Edge, Triple H, and I'm sure others on his roster. Sometimes the guy isn't particularly good at discerning drawing talent.

Originally Posted by Hustle

Lemme know when the ratings start going down and dip below the levels they were at before he showed up. Whether they're up 1% or 101%, they're still up. Apparently there are math wizards at LoP who are unaware of this fact.

a bit short sighted here. Sure, ratings are up, but at what cost to the payroll? Is it going to at the very least break even? If not, I'm not sure making $1 more off selling an item is going to be better if I have to increase the cost $10 per unit. Of course, I could just be one of those math wizards you mentioned.


personally, I'm going with the too early to say side. And even if TNA implodes tomorrow, I wouldn't say Hogan and Bischoff are to blame. When you hire someone, its your responsibility. If Hogan and Bischoff aren't qualified to run a nationally televised wrestling program and you hired them, that falls on you regardless of whatever they said to convince you. They're business people seeking a job, its the person behind hiring that is responsible for vetting their qualifications. And if you gave them too much hiring power after the fact and it leads to TNA's downfall due to payroll, that's on the person hiring the two and laying out the contract terms as well. So I'd say Dixie here.

[LegendsNeverDie]

I like hulk and always have and i think he is giving it a good go, but u cant bring in people like the nasty boys!!!!

I can give you a list of talent out there that would push rattings up more then the nasty boys ever will!

If you are gonna bring in older stars then pick up the phone and give goldberg a call, RVD even bloody sid!!!!

[cuzisnotamark1985]

As a fan of both promotions I can honestly say it is too early to tell about who could be responsible for ruining TNA. No Tna is not great production wise and we still get the odd nuisances of segments thrown in from taped shows in random places, but TNA has been better atleast to me in the past couple of months. Do I like Hogan? Hell No the man has an oversized ego, but he has marginally improved ratings with the big help of Bischoffs knowledge and the fossils brought in.

As Kong pointed out the money spent on new people on the payroll was non-existant until the new crew came in. Maybe Panda was cash strapped or maybe they didn't want to increase pay to the company because they weren't getting ratings. Personally, I believe that they have the roster they need now and to start spending what money they are making and make production of shows better or start looking into small venues that they can travel to cheaply. On a side note, as we saw on the January 4th Impact they are paying the Nasty Boys in donuts so I don't see why people are getting so upset with them working for $10 a week unless they are eating more than one box at a time (which Knobs could be doing).

In all seriousness, at first I was furious with all the people brought in, but I've warmed up to some of them. Mr. Anderson was the biggest aquisition they could make. Yes even bigger than Jeff Hardy right now. Sure I will take heat for this, but Hardy has not appeared since the January 4th show and who knows if he is motivated to actually wrestle or will be able to if he really goes to jail for drugs. Don't get me wrong jeff Hardy has had a better career and is more talented than Anderson at this point, but Anderson has actually wrestled consecutive weeks and not managaed to injure himself or anyone else, which he has been knocked by the IWC for. I think he will be a positive addition in the future. The Brian Kendrick is talented and could create great waves in the X-division. I personally would love to see a Kendrick vs Doug Williams match. Waltman is still able to get thrown around like a rag doll and I'm ok with how he has been used. Sean Morley hasn't been overpushed and I'm ok with him on the mic. Not a big fan of Hall, The Nasty Boys, or OJ being there but whatever. If they can contribute anything then they aren't exactly dead weight.

Years from now we will look at TNA and still be talking about the Impact! of Hogan. Is it good, well so far it hasn't been bad. (Yes a Hogan hater said that) At the end of the day I'm still watching TNA because I think the product has improved lately. Also, RAWS have been improving as well. Which makes this wrestling fan really happy. Hogan can't receive all the credit this can also be attributed to the Road to Wrestlemania too, but I think Vince sees TNA is making strides. Hell even Superstars has been better with TNA's strides. So let's take TNA seriously and wait to see what will happen next.

[Rogue]

Originally Posted by Hustle

The answer? No.

Lemme know when the ratings start going down and dip below the levels they were at before he showed up. Whether they're up 1% or 101%, they're still up. Apparently there are math wizards at LoP who are unaware of this fact.

Does this mean he's doing nothing but good things and he's everything he said he is? No, but TNA is in a better position RIGHT THIS SECOND than they were before Hogan showed up. News flash to some of you.. just because YOU don't like a company's product, that doesn't mean said product is a failure. You're not as important as you like to think you are, you know.

Lol, I came in this thread to say pretty much the exact same thing, though maybe in a nicer way.

Hogan's been around a month, and since he's been in TNA, their ratings are up over what they where. It's proven he is a draw, and he gives TNA credibility and star-power like they've never had before.

He might be ruining your version of TNA, (and if your version of TNA is x-division spot-fests, washed up ECW guys and ridiculous gimmick matches, then more power to him) but for the majority of wrestling fans, he's giving them a product they've been missing from TNA, and that's entertainment, as well as good wrestling.

[stl311]

Alright I'm going to drop a little smark right about now.

Hulk Hogan is improving the TNA Roster, the only one of his signings I haven't agreed with has been The Nasty Boyz. Mainly because they hadn't wrestled a Televised Match in years...and god knows they couldn't do it back then either. Even if WWE wouldn't admit it Val Venis (Sean Morely) had something to offer in the ring. He stays in great shape, and odds are he can contribute something as an agent like he did at one point and time in the WWE. Orlando Jordan was a World Champion over in Italy (actually lost the title to Warrior) and for his age he can still wrestle, I look forward to seeing him get in the ring with Elijah a lot more in the future. Jeff Hardy and Shannon Moore are hit or miss, they could do great things as singles or tag team guys, either way I'm sure they will make an impact. Just like Ken Anderson has, if he can stay healthy he is World Championship material.

Secondly, Hulk hasn't gotten rid of guys that are important as of yet. Sadly it appears both Beer Money (best tag team today pound for pound) and Jay Lethal aren't very happy in TNA. All three are great workers, and if Beer Money or Lethal left it wouldn't be pretty. That being said, they need to drop Jessie Neal...and I wish to god World Elite would go away for good (except for Eric Young). They got rid of Steiner, who as of late hasn't been able to have a great match. That being said, the roster is looking in prime condition to run a three hour show, the biggest stars are still there and making an impact like always. Wolfe, Styles, Dinero, Hernandez, Morgan, are all young up and coming stars, while Angle, Hogan, Flair, Nash are holding it down on the old guy end of the spectrum.

The final reason TNA isn't an epic failure is, the matches are better because the talent is better. You're filtering out guys who aren't worth a damn and replacing them with guys who are worth a damn. And I don't want to hear that shit that "they're old WWE guys" well of course they are. You've got the world's largest promotion, one that is watched globally, and you're bringing in guys that people know from the biggest promotion. How is that stupid? If Strikeforce signed more released fighters from UFC would that make them a terrible promotion? Hell no it wouldn't. The crap of the old WWE guys is a terrible argument. I seen the original TNA, it was in my backyard pretty much. All TNA has ever been is old WCW or ECW guys with a blend of RoH and CZW guys. Now RoH is up and coming and signing workers to written contracts, and CZW has indy guys who aren't ready for the spotlight yet. So where else are you going to get them?

I think within the next 6 months TNA is going to have to go on the road, I think they'll need to have a 3 hour iMPACT, I think they will have to quit taping shows because spoilers get out, and lastly I think they're going to have to buckle down and open a training school then find a developmental territory. Also finding a way to get Corino, Hero, and Butcher would help.

That's all I got for now.

[Killswitch]

Originally Posted by Hollywood Hogan

I'll list the positive's I think he's done.

Brought in:
-Ken Anderson
-Ric Flair as mentor of A.J.Styles (great move)
-Jeff Hardy
-Val Venis

-New TNA logo that looks good (the old one looked crap)
-4 sided ring
-much better set than before
-TNA ratings have gone up with highest ratings ever
-1.88 rating, highest rating easily, and Hogan's segment was going up against Bret Hart's comeback segment.
-TNA only got Monday Night because of Hogan. If it wasn't for his star power, they wouldn't have gone on Monday night.
-Impact has become better to watch than RAW.

Do u really think Hogan is going to be TNA champion in 2 months when he can't even wrestle at the moment because of injuries? come on? lol

Ken Anderson: Tell me how that works out when he is injured... AGAIN!
Ric Flair: Good signing
Jeff Hardy: Drug addict benefiting from TNA's lack of drug policy
Val Venis: Decent worker, little charisma.
4 Sided Ring: Took away the only unique thing about TNA
Much better set: Irrelevant
Highest ratings: 1.88 is hardly a high rating, and they have been going back down since.
Monday slot: Was already in talks before Hogan
Better then RAW: LOL, no it isn't, Impact is still a clusterfuck

Now, to your statement, Hogan is an egotistical, arrogant berk who thinks the world revolves around him. He'll be TNA Champ soon.

TNA is fucked. Hogan and Bischoff have no idea of how to create stars (see: WCW) and several guys in TNA are unhappy with the direction things are going. They had guys like Austin, Jericho, Guerrero and Benoit and dropped the ball. Jericho himself has said that getting over on Hogans watch is a cardinal sin.

I'll give it two years before TNA is done.

[ItDeosntMatter]

Yeah hogan is going to ruin TNA in the long run he is first going to take away everyting that made them different from the WWE. As you can already see he basiclly said the idea of the six sided ring is dum and so are u for every watching it. me personally i felt like it made the superstars move faster and it kept the matchs at a faster pace then the wwe. second point now they are going to be slowing down the pace of there action so now they can bring the retirees. nasty boys really? well now we will see less of a real team mcm grerat action in the ring and shelley was getting better on a mic. ok the band? dont get me wrong i love hall and nash but if hall cant even fight in a match then there really isnt that much excitement. arigt then they have this big name superstar coming tna see who it is so everyone gets all excited for maybe rvd. but it was ken kennedy. kennedy really? great wrestler great mic work and i love him but he didnt really like do all that much in the wwe lets be honest. listen bottom lineis that hogan is great but what i see him doing to tna is ridiculous but for now it is working fans love it cause its another wrestling organization i dont know anyone who watchs tna and not wwe but everyone i know who watchs wrestling watchs wwe and not necassirily tna.