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Old 02-28-2009, 05:13 PM
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“Randy Orton #1...Who Else?” Pro Wrestling Illustrated


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It is nearly that time of year again. No, Valentines has passed and Easter is a month of so away yet. I am talking about one other event that happens every calendar year...Wrestlemania is nearly upon us. However, it has got me thinking. There is one key point to Wrestlemania this year. There is one key pinnacle that we have NEVER witnessed in WWE history and there is one moment that will capture the hearts of many fans. It will not be whether or not HBK can defeat The Undertaker and end his Wrestlemania undefeated streak. It will not be whether or not Stone Cold Steve Austin comes back to fight someone like John Cena or Chris Jericho. Money in the Bank could expand but that will not be the focus either, much like the possible tag unification match we may see. No there is only one moment on the card that will stand out in my eyes, as well as many wrestling fans, old or new around the globe. That moment, ladies and gentlemen, is Randy Orton winning the WWE Championship.


I see puzzled looks on your faces people, after all Orton has held this title twice, what is the big deal about it? Well, first of all, Orton has lost this championship on two occasions, and they have all been to one man, Triple H. This year, on the grandest stage of them all, we finally (I believe) get to see Randy Orton take back his title. And he will do it from the man who elevated him to be the star he is today (in kayfabe eyes anyway). Randy Orton will pin Triple H for the WWE Championship. For the first time in history. Lets face it, Triple H is no stranger to putting over talent on the biggest stage of them all (Undertaker, Chris Benoit, John Cena) whilst the stars are on the rise. It is one of his better pros in his career but I digress. What will make the win so significant, apart from Orton finally undoing his past, is that Stephanie McMahon is likely to help him do it.


Mrs Triple H, fourth generation lady herself Stephanie McMahon will screw her husband. Why you ask? Because that would be a huge boost to ratings. People hear about Triple H and Stephanie backstage running the WWE creative like their personal candy store (true or not, is debatable) so why not bring it to the stage. Triple H has finally broken kayfabe after some ten years of dubious secrecy. Now is the time to up the ante. True, seeing Triple H avenge his wife at Mania will be something to see, and the personal emotion that has been injected into the feud is making it totally worthy of being viewed again. After all, this isn’t the first time Orton and Triple H have faced off. One thing we can be guaranteed is a decent, main event worthy contest. The added fuel to the fire though is the fact that Orton and Stephanie have been interacting really well over the past few months. Having Stephanie join Legacy would seem apt...Considering the circumstances.


Just like the economic slump made JBL v HBK a much better feud then first anticipated, a bitter divorce battle would be the next in line. In a world where chat shows like Jerry Springer and Jeremy Kyle rule the airwaves, where personal loss and tragedy is at an influx and major viewing for many people at home, why does this seem so unlikely? Vince showed that booking realistic events like the economy in storylines makes a feud take on a little bit more depth. Why not do it for the most statistically abnormal event in personal lives all around the world? And why not do it to the golden couple themselves? It makes perfect sense in the fact that people have literally ten years worth of rumour, potential kayfabe breaking note and internet scorching tattle tale to build this on. It also makes sense that the most popular face in WWE should get his comeuppance. He may be able to beat down all the superstars in WWE like the King he is. It seems perfect that the one person who can break the King of Kings is his wife. After all, this is true for many men around the world. And having Stephanie cheat on Trips with Orton...the possibilities are endless.




Now, at this point I wish to state that this column was intended (several weeks prior) to be a Randy Orton tribute column. After HBK, there is no wrestler that I admire more at this present time. There is also no wrestler that has improved, developed and matured more then Orton in the past six years. However, due to recent events and happenings this column has skewed somewhat in my original perception of it. I don’t want to get into fantasy booking or discussing anymore of my theories for Wrestlemania. Although the above theory exists and is likely to happen, I do want to stick to the task at hand here.


Randy Orton must be a very valued member of the roster to be where he is today. Not since Stone Cold Steve Austin has any wrestler been allowed to put his hands on ALL the McMahons in succession. Orton has decimated all the McMahons in turn, be it methodically or sporadically. However, it has certainly led into a feud that has taken a vast turn away from the first instance. At first it seemed that Austin would be the saviour for the McMahons, what with his rumoured return and Orton’s Legend Killer status. It took the Rumble win to eliminate this theory though. The truth of the matter is this. Orton in the past eighteen months or so has come on in leaps and bounds. He became the first man in history to win the WWE Championship twice in the same evening. He also regained his title at Wrestlemania (only the second heel to do so in history, the first being Triple H ironically enough) and he did it against TWO men. Going back further, he was the longest reigning Intercontinental Champion in seven years. He also has the prestigious honour of being the youngest ever World Heavyweight Champion in WWE history. Randy Orton is no stranger to success. It should be known that Orton has wrestling in his blood, so the success shouldn’t really be that much of a surprise. However to some, it has. Orton has many critics for all his success.


Standing at six feet four inches and weighing in at a trim two hundred and forty five pounds, it seems that Orton has, what many could class, the perfect physique. He has height but not too much weight. He has agility but is not a high flyer. He has technical prowess but can brawl with the best of them. He can also pull out a hardcore move when needed. It seems Orton has the best all round game in WWE when it comes to opponents. He can mix it up with the best of them. And he has proved it on many occasions. But what is it that makes the McMahons take note, pick him out of their seventy strong roster and decide that Orton will be the man to attack the McMahons and in turn propel the McMahons from heel to face in the click of a finger? Yes long sentence there, but a valid question all the same. Why is Orton the man that is leading the flagship show into Wrestlemania, a year that is the most important in WWE history?




His entrance theme is titled Voices. The opening line is “I hear voices in my head, they council me they understand”. Never has a theme song been so fitting to any wrestler period. True you have classic theme songs that have stood the test of time and are mark out worthy on hearing them. But this song, for all its doubters, is the single thing that separates Orton from the rest of his peers. Orton has undergone a transition in the past eighteen months that has propelled him from regular mid-card jerk to legit badass with a mean streak. The moment he kicked Shawn Michaels in the head, the NEW Orton was born. And since then, he has remained in the main event picture. He kicked HBK in 2007. That is a long time to be established as a top star. The reason for this is solo. Orton is an evil bastard, pure and simple. This is the man who kicked John Cena’s old man in the head at ringside. This is the man who kayfabe injured the unstoppable John Cena and stole his belt because he wanted it more. This is also the man who beat Triple H, Jeff Hardy, Shawn Michaels, and John Cena in title matches. That is quite a stellar line up. However, the one thing that the theme does is elevate the viper like instinct that Orton has accumulated in recent months.




When you see Orton you freeze. For a moment you forget that this guy was one of the worst babyfaces in WWE history and you forget his former theme song. You also forget that he was once locking lips with Stacy Keibler in the ring. Yes, Orton has had his downfalls and his bad booking decisions. Who can forget his chap wearing escapades in Rated RKO, the day many gay men’s fantasies came true? When you think about those days and watch Raw in the present you realize that he is indeed, a much different person. When Orton is in the ring he is uncanny. He is also unpredictable in his actions. You never know what he will do next. However, to feel unsettled about Orton all you have to do is watch him enter the ring. It takes an eternity for him to reach his destination and for that entire time he is eyeballing the crowd. It is in the ring that people fear him most though. Randy is probably the only wrestler in the industry that has TWO deadly finishing moves in his arsenal and they can appear from nowhere. Even in his promo work, Orton delivers scathing yet underlying promos that scare, belittle and somehow legitimise his claim as the greatest in the industry. However, the fact remains that when Orton is stalking his prey you seriously fear for their safety. After all, we are to suspend disbelief for this type of action...it works.




This, in my opinion is where Orton excels. Many people watch Orton on the TV and they see him locking in yet another rest hold on his opponent to wear them down. This is not Orton’s fault but Vince McMahons, who is urging for his stars to use a more realistic wrestling style. In some contexts it works. For Orton it just belies his style and hides what moves he really can do. Where to start? Well let’s begin with his European uppercut that can knock any men out of their stride. Or what about his gut wrench neckbreaker? It has been a while since Orton used this move but it shows that when needed he can pull out the power moves. Let’s not forget that Orton has a vicious and perfect dropkick in his arsenal. When this baby hits it is like poetry in motion. Speaking of vicious, his inverted backbreaker has become common place in his arsenal in recent years, which puts an evil spin on a somewhat ordinary move. His walk around the park is also something to see. Nothing more shows his determination and utter contempt then stamping on his foe over and over again. The cherry on the cake is the stiff kneedrop to the side of the head that usually follows this scenario. The final move I will mention here is the rope spike DDT that has injured many foes. It was the move that sealed RVD’s exit out of the WWE and it also claimed him his first championship all those years ago.




After all those moves it is understandable that they lead to something. If you have noticed a pattern here they all deal damage to the head. Except from his inverted backbreaker (which still shafts the neck on impact) every move is aimed at disorientating the opponent in some way. Stamping on every part of the body may seem random but it will no doubt affect the person receiving it. The kneedrop to the head, the dropkick, the spike DDT and the European uppercut all deal damage to separate sections of the head and face. When he unleashes the gut wrench neckbreaker, it will stun any opponent falling from a near seven foot height. Even lesser used moves like his torque powerslam, clothesline and stilted suplex all deal blows to the head and neck. What is the eventuality? The RKO for one. His patented finisher has always contained the element of surprise. When it hits it is usually fatal. The fact he can hit it from anywhere is the deadly factor. You can be on the apron (Big Show at Rumble), the floor, in the ring, on the top rope or even in mid air, and the move can nail you from nowhere. It is the surprise that adds to the move and has helped claim Orton many victims. His second and fresher finishing move is the RKO Punt. It happens rarely but usually with fatal consequences. When Orton gets a run up it delivers a striking blow to the head that is unrivalled, even in NFL. With the correct impact, all the disorientating moves and build up is successful. The same applies to the RKO. Orton has one of the most complete and yet devastating arsenals in the WWE.


All this leaves us with one question. Why is Randy Orton so special in the eyes of the McMahons? Yes, he has a devastating arsenal and has one of the best all round games in the WWE. True he doesn’t have as many championships under his belt as say, Edge or John Cena. It is no secret that Cena and Orton graduated OVW at the same time either. In truth their careers paralleled at one point. Cena came to massive recognition by winning the United States Championship, which thrust him into the main event. Orton, to his merit did so too. He won the Intercontinental Championship and the World Heavyweight Championship in the same year. Cena however would go undefeated for nearly nine months before losing it to Edge. Orton lost his title within a month. Cena was popular; Orton was a failed babyface of sorts. That is when their careers divided. Cena went on to win back his title, Orton was drafted. In fact, it was the exact same belt that bought their careers back on the same track. Orton won that belt, the World Tag Team Championship, whilst teaming with Edge. Cena did so the year after with Shawn Michaels. Within months the two would be united against one another for the same title. Many saw this match as one of the best possible in WWE at that time. They weren’t disappointed. Funny how things come together isn’t it?


Randy Orton is great in the eyes of the WWE, and the McMahons, because he is Randy Orton. He has yet to reach his prime. For all his merits and ability you feel there are plenty more championships in him yet. You also feel compelled to watch the guy on TV, to see what he will do next. Headlining Raw for four weeks in succession is proof of this. Not only is he ratings gold (his pop in the Royal Rumble is solid proof he has a fan base) but he has matured very quickly if the internet rumours are to be believed. I haven’t seen any wrestler at the tender age of 27 (nearly 28) obtain mentorship qualities that quickly. His first championship win made him the youngest World Champion ever. A man of this age was competing with the best in the business (Shawn Michaels, Mick Foley, Ric Flair) at a time many wouldn’t even have been called up. He has been elevated a lot quicker then anyone else on the roster has. Not only that, but two future superstars get to rub shoulders with him on a weekly basis (Cody and Ted).


Randy Orton also has one of the best “gimmicks” in WWE today. The Legend Killer, for all its prose, is NOT a gimmick because he doesn’t utilise this on a daily/weekly basis. It only crops up when Orton or WWE feels like it is merited. His real gimmick, for want of a better word, is his desire to be World Champion again. Now, this sounds familiar to someone on Smackdown (Edge) who doest he exact same thing. Edge is a coward hiding behind his wife. Orton is not. True, he has Cody and Ted backing him up nowadays, but before that? His tactics were all for the greater good of Orton. He RKO’d Cena on the announce table, alone. He punted HBK in the head whilst unaided. In fact he retained his title for six months at his own leisure. He didn’t need any help. If anyone paid attention to that, the formation of Legacy should be a small hint that Orton only does it because he can. It has aided him somewhat in his last few feuds but it was all building to something. That something is the eventual turn of Dibiase on Orton, just like his mentor did so to Evolution many moons ago. After all Dibiase winning the Money in the Bank doesn’t seem too ridiculous now does it...? Let’s not forget that this same Legacy building was a ploy to talent some potential young stars in the WWE (Manu, Sim Snuka). It worked on some levels, not so much on others. Yet another reason WWE has Orton as their top star on Raw.




John Cena has confessed that Orton has had more revitalisations as a character then most in WWE. I count four in total (Legend Killer phase one, babyface, Legend Killer phase 2, Viper like destroyer). If WWE see Orton as the prodigy he is, there is no more proof then this. No other superstar on the roster has undergone more character changes then Orton. Many superstars would be fired before they even got to a second (Kevin Thorn, Snitsky, and Elijah Burke). Randy Orton has ridden the wave of success and failure to culminate in being Raw’s top star. Admit it, John Cena is no longer the top star since his injury and is only playing a bit part on Raw it would seem, before his drafting to Smackdown. I use the word failure lightly though, mainly because he hasn’t really failed in anything. True, his babyface push was one of the worst decisions in WWE history. Orton is a born and bred heel. Be it his heritage or his ego, it could even be that people just love to hate him, whatever it is, it works. Being babyface wasn’t all bad though, I mean it enabled Evolution to self destruct. It also got him drafted to Smackdown and turned him heel against the biggest star in WWE history, The Undertaker. And Orton came closest to ending the undefeated Wrestlemania streak too. He would become the seventeenth Triple Crown Champion in the company’s history, win the WWE Championship twice in the same night and most importantly, it stood him in stead to headline Raw for the immediate future.


He is the top star because the McMahons say so. He is also the top star because he was mentored BY a McMahon. Yes, Triple H was key to Orton being where he is today. He made Orton look like a legit babyface whilst it lasted, and in the purest sense, he is making Orton look like a total bastard now. Contrasting styles I think you will agree. But if you think Triple H is denying Orton his chance to shine, think again. I have never seen the McMahons behind someone like this since Stone Cold. That is huge news for Orton and I reckon he knows it. It also bodes well for him going into Wrestlemania. I mean he eliminated Triple H from the Rumble. He could be ending Triple H’s thirteenth Championship reign well before the next two months is over. What remains a fact though, is that Randy Orton is the future of WWE. Triple H seems involved to make this so. If Orton beats Triple H at Mania, he will be the third to do so (for the WWE Championship, retain or otherwise). It didn’t work for Benoit but it worked for Cena. Many Cena haters shut their mouths when Cena made Triple H tap out.


It seems Orton will not only gain credibility for pinning Triple H (his first time in singles competition) but he will gain respect. Be it from his peers or the fellow wrestlers around the world that is undisputed. The Rock was the last superstar, who was multi generation, to be made a huge solo star. It seems, for all intensive purposes that Orton is following in his footsteps. From his altercation with The Great One some years back in 2004, all the way to modern day where he is tutoring two second generation stars, it seems that WWE have indeed found their next biggest star. True, Cena may be their cash cow, and Undertaker and HBK will always be stalwarts, hell even Triple H is a legit source of income. However, when Orton enters the ring, he gets cheered. Fair enough his actions were heinous against the McMahons but no one can deny that there were cheers in the crowd. And who can forget that he received a face like ovation when he entered the Royal Rumble (and even more so when he won). Let’s remember the last time a heel was cheered...Stone Cold. It may seem that Orton is the sleeper choice to take the next big spot in the WWE. It is about time that the fans started to take Orton seriously. You may not like his technical ability (anyone who thinks technique is boring should leave wrestling fandom for good) but you cannot deny everything Orton gives us. Watch him in a match with John Cena or Triple H (Summerslam ’07 and Unforgiven ’04) and you tell me that guy doesn’t have it all.


Right now Orton is a shining light in WWE. He has everything going for him, and he has the best position on the flagship show. Whether this is for future promotion/development or purely for Wrestlemania is open to debate. However, Orton has the chance to show us one thing that I already know. Orton is the future and Orton is that damn good. After all, it was Triple H who said so. And The King of Kings is never wrong...is he?

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Dude, i've said a lot on MSN.

I saw this was up as first new post so I checked it out.

I have to say as an Orton fan you did my boy justice.

I enjoyed they way it was shorter than normal, this column was suited better for it.

This column (As an Orton fan) was just generally a tribute and was pretty awesome.

You said I would enjoy it and I did. Well done. Hope to read you next time.
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Great work Skaos. I agree with your analysis of Randy Orton. I have always been on the fence concerning him. When he came back after his clavicle injury, I jumped on the proverbial bandwagon. The cold, slow, methodical Orton definitely works.

Although, I will argue that Hardcore Bob Holly has always had the best dropkick in the business. I recognize that there are no other redeeming qualities about Bob, but there it is, nonetheless. Nice job.

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After my comments on your last two pieces you are probably expecting another scathing tearing apart of your column from me... No way Pedro!

Excellent column which I really found problems to disagree with on any level. The Hunter bashing was minimal and subtle (although still there).

Orton is the future of the WWE without question. Hunter is approaching 40, Edge's past bumps will probably effect his longetivity and I can see Cena getting more injuries as time goes by. Dodgy shoulder aside, I can see Orton at the top level for longer than anyone else in the business.

Will Steph switch on Hunter - I think that is a given.

Will it be at Mania - Could well be but personally I think it is too early. I think this feud has legs on it for a year but WWE do like to rush the swerve. I personally would prefer Shane to be the one to initially turn on Hunter, let that play out and let Steph turn around SummerSlam.

Excellent stuff here and I would just like to reiterate that I thought your last 2 columns were very well written and very good despite me having certain issues with them. Add to those the 7 Dwarves column before the reset and you will take some beating in CotM this month.

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Great column Skaos. Randy is definitely one of my favorites at the moment, although I think they are kind of handcuffing him a little.

Excellent look at one of the best around today.
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It pains me to say it, as I really don't want to like Randy Orton, but he's just as good as you say. Dammit, I was really enjoying finding no redeeming qualities in him, but in the last year he's been as good as it gets.

Quality column, very difficult to argue with even if I wanted to!
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Hey Hotness,

Very nice work yet again. I couldn't agree more that Orton is one, if not the, future star of the industry. This was a nice summary of how he got into the position he is now and what we can expect for the future. It was also a fitting tribute to one of the best in the business today (something I totally agree with).

One of the most thought provoking parts of this was why the McMahons chose Orton. I realise that I had just accepted the situation without thinking about the "why"s of the situation and you've shown here that there was quite a lot more importance to it than I had recognised.

As I'm sure you know, I'm still undecided about the Steph swerve, especially before WM25. They have done the divorce storyline before and I hope they will consider it properly before re-hashing again. Then again, you do tend to have better instincts than me on this sort of thing....

Well-written (as always), nice flow and the length was just right for the subject at hand; a nice little column before your brief hiatus as I'm sure you won't have the time to post next weekend. For your next piece I'm expecting you to teach me something new - and I'm sure you'll deliver

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Awesome, is all that comes to mind man.

Pure awesome
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Awesome column. I'm a huge Orton fan and he has really come into his own since he started his punting gimmick. If he were to have an argument with Vince and walk out tomorrow I would still consider his career a success based on his past performances. Even though he's had a few stutters (*cough* face turn *cough*), his career for the most part has been widely successful. He's become one of the few multi-generation superstars who can say they achieved more than their father and grandfather.

All in all, great job. I'm surprised you haven't made the main page by now.
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I hate to rain on your man love for Orton parade here, but he is not walking out of Wrestlemania a winner this year my friend. Hunter has been on the schnide since WM19 and I don't see him losing again this year. It's been too long since Triple H has stood tall at 'Mania and this will be the year he shines brightly. Orton will be the future of the WWE, but not right yet.

This was a nice little, easily read column that I pretty much agree with, except for what I mentioned above. There were a few mistakes that I noticed wording wise, cherry on the cake for instance hehe, but I won't point them out on here.

Orton has certainly come into his own over the past eighteen months or so. He is one of the main reasons I watch RAW, behind Jericho, HBK and Shane 'O or Vince showing up and along with that summa-ma-gun Santino. He looks like he is finally comfortable in his own skin out there and it really shows through with his recent promos and in-performance as of late. Though it has only been lately that I have seen the light and started to enjoy his work. I did use to wish a horrible death on him during the Evolution days.

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I agree. Holly's dropkick was a thing of beauty.

His move set works very well for him. Even though I don't remember the Gutwrench Neckbreaker, you nailid that section perfectly.

I remember when Orton first debuted his new theme and how a lot of people were shit talking it for not fitting his character. Well, now it fits perfectly. Especially with his IED. I still think IED really stands for Intermittent Explosive Diarrhea though.

Enough ramblin. As the CF has come to expect from you, another solid piece of writing here. I think it's gonna be hard pressed for you not to get the CotM nod here. It's about time you get your time to shine on the MP, like you sorely deserve (an Orton parallel maybe?). RAW/PPV reviews not withstanding.

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Good read as usual, and as an Orton fan I was a little biased. When you were first predicting Steph siding with the Legacy months ago, I was all for it. However, now that Triple H is involved in the feud I've sense changed my mind. To have HHH/Steph "married" on t.v. again only to "divorce" a second time just seems silly. Plus the Jericho/HHH feud that happened last time Steph and Hunter were on opposite sides was just a terrible feud.

As much as I want Orton to win at Mania (keep in mind I'm a huge Hunter mark) I'm getting the feeling that Backlash may be the place. While Hunter has put many people over on the grandest stage, it's also been quite some time since he's won at WM. So by hook or by crook I'm starting to buy into Hunter stopping Orton only to finally lose the following month. Not quite as great as a WM win, but as long as he gets the gold I can't complain.

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Randy Orton is bugging the fuck out of me. There, I said it.

My only issue with this column is you didn't address Randy Orton's critics; you didn't even acknowledge he had any weaknesses, and he's got a very, very obvious one. For someone who is 'carrying' Raw, being given 10-20 minutes of non-wrestling face time every week, he is a 24-carat rhinestone douchebag when he has a mic in his hand. He has no sense of timing, he can't hold an audience's attention; a trait that The Rock, Austin and Triple H have in spades, even as heels. Luckily for Orton, his actions are still speaking louder than his words. It pains me to watch one of his promos, though.

If I'm picking holes, there's a few moments of imprecision; you described the RKO as Orton's 'patented finisher' when, actually, it's a Diamond Cutter, for example.

Overall, this was another solid piece of work. You've clearly got some real momentum at the moment, but just be careful you don't neglect the less popular side of the argument. On the other hand, you've given me an idea.
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Joey: DDP's Diamond Cutter was a standing cutter, not a fully-leaping cutter like the RKO. I happen to prefer the Diamond Cutter, but I'm just pointing out that they're slightly different.

Skaos: You don't often do too many 'fan' pieces, it makes a nice change to hear/read you to spanking the column monkey (as opposed to the Dr) over ol' Randy.

I agree with pretty much everything, especially his physique being probably the finest we've seen since in a long while, without it putting him into any sort of niche. He can roll with the big guys (no homo...I think...) like Taker and wrestle midgets like Rey Mysterio all the same.

I think you covered pretty much everything there is to love about Randall. And you didn't call him Fred once. For that my friend, I thank you.

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Marksman - Thanks for reading dude. Glad you think I did Orton justice.

Lenjr04 - You are right dude, Orton as a slow and methodical killer is a coop in WWE's eyes. It suits him to a T, and makes for some riveting viewing. Oh, and Hardcore Holly's dropkick was amazing...who do you think taught Orton it?

Mazza - Hey homie. Thanks for the praise. You are right, with Edge getting more worn, Cena more prone and Triple H older, Orton has the chance to grab that Main Event spot by the throat. I hope he does it too, because he is the only person worthy, maybe apart form Jeff Hardy, that could utilise that spot for some serious time. Also, I think Steph would turn at Mania. The reason? Because outdoing Austin's heel turn at Mania in the past would be appropriate on the anniversary of the event...not to mention that it IS the McMahon's big day. I kept the Triple H bashing minimal because...well, he has helped Orton get to where he is. I can only commend him for that.

Stinger - Thanks for the praise dude. Also thanks for reading... I know you are a vet around here, what was your previous name?

MyLeeCyrus - You are damn right he has been the best in the last year hehe. Also, if I helped convince you, then that is my job done!

SJ (Sugarboots) - Hey honey. Thanks for reading. I am glad you liked this piece. I think the swerve should happen at Mania, not only for ratings leading into Backlash, but for the reason above (Outdoing Austin's heel turn). If it doesn't happen, then it could also conclude ratings for the next few months. Either way, what seems like just another Orton v Triple H match is actually creating qute a buzz. I will be on hiatus next weekend yes, (I wonder why ) so I will be creating a small column this week. And yes, I promise to create something that will teach you something new... xxx

Kano - Thanks. That is all lol.

NightofDay - Hey man. Thanks for the kudos. As I hae mentioned everything you addressed above I won't repeat myself. Main Page? You are joking aren't you? I doubt I will get that.

Kano Deux - Main Page? Joking aren't you hehe. Won't happen.

FoonZeeS - Hey bud. Damn you and your limey misunderstandings hehe. I think I will have to teach you the way of the Brit hehe. The more I think about it, the decision at Mania could go either way. However I think this is what makes the match so intriguing. However, I don't think another loss to Triple H (right now anyway) will do Orton any favours. By the way, I said MANY Cena haters hehe, not ALL! All this Main Page talk is unsettling me a littl bit. I think there is a following for me to do so. Let's just see where it goes...

Dr. Monkey - Hey man, thanks for reading. I am not sure. Triple H and Stephanie's previous feud was a bit naff. I missed this in all honesty so I can not comment. However, back then, Triple H and Stephanie were not in fact married. They married soon after. Now, with the ten years of info I mentioned (fans knowing the truth, the fact WWE are breaking the fourth wall) I think the divorce storyline could be something that would be worth watching. Your theory on Orton losing to win could work...I just see WWE breaking all the rules for this upcoming Mania.

Joey - Hey man. Three feedback's in as many columns? Awesome! As for the Orton critique. I think Orton has perfect timing on the mic. His promos are always worth a watch, he manages to mould the silent, undermining promo (like Jericho) with the "shouty only when needed" promo (TNA roster) that so many miss. His promo against Vince was seething, because you actually knew he could follow through with his threats. Same against Stephanie, when he eyeballed her you could see he was going to get her at some point. However, saying that, Steve Austin bored me on the mic as a face and heel. I just didn't get the appeal with him. The RKO is a jumpin cutter like Petra mentioned, so in theory the RKO is patented. I cannot remember someone else doing it with such grace. And what idea did I give you?

Petra - By now, I am knackered at all the feedback. Thanks for reading dude. I love Orton, and this piece was dedicated to him in every sense of the word. I do like a fan piece every now and then. You may see some in the coming weeks...oh, and Fred is B.K's gimmick. I could not steal it hehe.

Everyone - This week may be without a Kaos Engine. That is still undecided, however if I can get one made up I will. If not, I am still aiming to get twenty five out before Mania (I have done nineteen, 17 KE's and two extra, so far) so I may issue two in a week or something. Watch this space....thanks for the kudos though guys!
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I remember when Orton first debuted his new theme and how a lot of people were shit talking it for not fitting his character. Well, now it fits perfectly. Especially with his IED. I still think IED really stands for Intermittent Explosive Diarrhea though.
This would explain why he took a dump in that handbag then, wouldn't it?

Skaos - Excellent read as always. I may not always agree with your opinions, but your column is always worth the time and effort. I do agree with the Orton carrying Raw arguement (on the heel side) even if Fred is a douche extraordinaire. So cheers to the dick with ears.

Read you next time.

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J and Silent Dubb - Hey man, thanks for reading. Glad you liked the columns. Oh, and kudos on the name. He does like shitting in handbags though...although I reckon the victims secretly love it.
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Nice column. Mind you I am a big fan of Heel Orton, he does have faults. He's great but I can't forget that as a man, he's a douche and has his downfalls. Other than some wording errors and your tendency to ask questions a great deal (I catch dumb shit like that, go figure. I think that's why I tend to edit papers more than aid write them at my Writing Center job. I can catch a paragraph filled with "I" a mile away.) it wasn't bad. I'm more a fan of conversational style columns than informational, however. Just me.
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Other than Stinger, the only name I have ever used was (most recently) Ghost.

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Skaos,

This was very good column and I am very glad to see that you have reigned in some of the rhetoric. You kept focused and made your arguements clear and concise, (which was an issue with some past KEs, so I am glad to see improvement).

My biggest critique about Fred is that I doubt that he can be an effective 2 -way wrestler. I simply don't think that he is able or will be able to electrify and excite a crowd as a face. The Rock, Austin, Angle, Taker, Cena, HHH, HBK, Hogan, Macho, Andre... the true legends of the industry were able to work as both mega-faces and uber-heels. When Fred can light a whole arena on a fire, not just the "smark" contingent, I will concede that he was taken his place in the pantheon of true wrestling legends. Not before...
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Wow. Amazing.

as a die hard Orton lover, lol, I have to say it was satisfying to read how amazing this guy actually is. (Especially cuz it is not coming out of my mouth).

Great Read.
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