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Old 08-10-2009, 07:21 AM
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BCR is Wrestling #17 - Green Day is Wrestling.


Welcome one and all to yet another edition of BCR is Wrestling. For those watching Impact recently, you would have noticed something extremely strange. There's been a sign in the crowd with some cartoon caricature pissing on the WWE logo, now if that isn't a planted sign then I don't know what is! Now I know that Green Day is everyone's favourite band, so today you’re in for a treat. Continue reading to find out why.

Green Day is Wrestling.


Yep, you read that right, Green Day is wrestling. Some of you may have remembered that in BCR is Wrestling #7; I used some Tom DeLonge (Blink 182 and Angels And Airwaves singer/songwriter/guitarist) quotes. Well since Tom DeLonge is equal with Billie-Joe Armstrong in awesomeness, I thought it was time to bring some Green Day quotes into this. This will be a bit different though, the quotes won't be used as a part of an emotional, deep, touching, inspirational love letter. Oh no, It's something a bit simpler than that. Green Day has a lot more to do with wrestling then you think. A part from the obvious quality of both, there are subliminal messages in Green Day's songs that relate to wrestling in many different ways. You'll see what I mean...

All By Myself - Tre Cool's Tribute To the Five Knuckle Shuffle.


How about that? One song/quote into this bad boy and we've already found a whole song dedicated to one wrestling move, simply amazing. I'm one of Green Day's biggest fans and I never knew that they were fans of wrestling; they are most likely closet fans as it would contradict some of the stuff they say in their songs. I actually think that what's more surprising is that Tre is a fan of John Cena and decided to dedicate a song to one of his moves, especially since Cena is a rapper and rap kind of does suck.

*Someone whispers into BCR's ears the true meaning of the song.*

Oh.... There’s a different Five Knuckle Shuffle? Oh well, that was a mistake anyone could have made, sorry guys. It kind of does explain a few things as well seeing as the song was written in 1994, eight years before John Cena debuted in the WWE. Looks like we aren't off to the best of starts, let's attempt to get things on track.


Don’t Cross the Line - 21st Century Breakdown.


Now this quote has one obvious meaning that truly sickens me, why would you not want to cross the line? Crossing the line is probably one of the best things you can do as a superstar as it gives you a chance to explore who you really are. What I’m talking about is in fact crossing the line between what’s right and what’s wrong. Randy Orton attacking Shane McMahon and Triple H, that’s fine, but when he attacked Stephanie McMahon, that was crossing the line. Now Randy Orton is one of three wrestlers that generally bore me, but even I started to think this was pretty cool simply because he was crossing the line.

Yeah, Orton was cool. Cool cool cool. Fucking cool. Fucking hell, what I said above was a complete and utter lie. I know it, you know it and I know it! I was even praising Randy Orton for god’s sake, that’s how furious I am. I spend months telling everyone to cross the line to find out that Green Day have planted this in their new album, fucking bullshit. I buy your albums, I buy your shirts and I even buy your concert tickets, is this how you repay me? Why stop now though? Let’s see what else I can dig up from Green Day songs that could potentially make me suicidal.

One Nation Controlled by the Media - American Idiot.


Pretty much about America being controlled by sensationalist media and the young people having their mind warped by what's been shown. In wrestling, the same has happened to me. For those that don't know, I'm a 14 year old Australian which means I'm still easily influenced. I haven't been a wrestling fan for very long and how I make an opinion on past events comes from two things; reading and watching. Since watching is only very limited, reading is my main source of information.

One thing that I've often heard is that Vince Russo is an awful, awful booker. With the recent events involving Jeff Jarrett and Kurt Angle, Vince Russo has allegedly taken over as the main booker in TNA. The first week he took over there was one of Russo's main traits, a pole match. Now while I didn't think this was too bad at the time, many jokes were made about what else Russo would put on a pole next; some were funny, some were not.

Even though Russomania has only lasted three episodes so far, I've honestly expected a lot, let's say, crazier from them. Impact has gotten better each week since Russo has taken control and I'm left wondering why everyone was bagging him out. Russo has either changed or what people said about him was all a horrible misuse of hyperbole. The epic 400000 man brawl on last week’s Impact was one of the greatest things I've ever seen in wrestling, and it was all Russo! I hadn't marked out like that in a long time; from Bubba Ray choking Steiner with a table to Cute Kip cleaning up the trash after it, it was all awesome!

Now what does this say? It says that Russo was hyped up to be more then he actually is. It was one through wrestling’s form of media, the Internet Wrestling Community, and was done so in a way were the majority had the same opinion. Since I didn't know any better, I too felt that firing Russo would improve TNA. Now that I've seen and experienced just a bit of what Russo can do, Russomania is something that should never die!

I Declare I Don't Care No More - Burn Out.


Now isn't this better? This quote obviously has to do with burning out, just as the song title suggests. Just like before, this quote applies to all forms of life. Everyone feels burnt out at times, me included. No one wants to be burnt out, but sometimes there is just nothing you can do about it. People may think that you are selfish for deciding that you’ve had enough, but they aren’t in your shoes. Instead, they will call you names such as sell-out, failure and user. When Green Day first signed to a record label many moons ago, they had all those names thrown at them and then some. They declared they didn’t care about the people calling them sell-outs and now look where they are.

What does this have to do with wrestling? As before, I said that pretty much everyone can feel burnt out, even wrestlers. One of the current wrestlers who could be described as feeling burnt out is Jeff Hardy. I've seen people call Jeff selfish, but what people need to realise is that you can't go on doing what you don't love. Jeff might or might not still love wrestling, but whatever it is that's made him decide to not renew his contract is obviously serious. Jeff has had issues with commitment before, but since his return in 2006 he has proven himself to the fans. He has shown us that he has changed for the better. Everyone deserves some time off to think things through, why doesn't Jeff?

Another wrestling in question for just not caring anymore is Booker T. Ever since coming to TNA; Booker T has been under the pump from the fans for just not caring about anyone else in the company except for himself. He's even said that he changes up his accents to prove himself that he isn't just a wrestler, he's an entertainer. Does this affect his performance? No, but it probably does take away his focus from wrestling. Now I'm a huge fan of Booker T, have been since he started talking gibberish last year, but if your mind is 100% on wrestling then you shouldn't still be in the business.

Staying in wrestling so you can show whoever may be watching that you can act is simply selfish. Maybe it's time for Booker to retire because it's clear that he isn't fully focused on wrestling, even the likes of Foley, Nash and Sting still look like they have a passion for wrestling.

Sing Us the Song of the Century - Song of the Century.


Now this one is quite obvious when taken out of its true context, yet it can relate to almost anything in life. Whether you are an actor like J-Boom, a musician like Leonard or a column writer like the rest of us, you are expected the go out there and give whatever it is you are doing 110% each and every time. Whether it be wrestling the match of the century, cut us the promo of the century, show us the facial reaction of the century or be the biggest badass of the century, wrestlers have to do it.

However, there's one thing that sets wrestlers apart from the rest. That one thing is the fact that, in the WWE anyway, they are on the road almost every day doing what they do best, entertaining. It's fine for a musician to do 3 or so concerts a week and while that must be draining for them, it's nothing compared to the strain a WWE superstar puts on their body night in night out. Expecting them to put on the match of the century every time they step into the ring may just be asking a bit too much.

There's one more thing though, this quote may have a second meaning to it. In the context of the ever so awesome Christian & Gloria story, Song of the Century is basically a plea from Christian to Gloria asking her to tell him everything she is feeling. This can be incorporated into the lovely art form that is the promo. Now I'm not talking about your regular promo, I'm talking about an emotional, thought provoking masterpiece where the person giving the promo tells us everything they are feeling.

Without promos like that, I'd have no reason to watch wrestling. Sure, I'm a fan of the in-ring performances as we all are, but without promos to build up feuds, I just couldn't care less. Let's take Kevin Nash for an example; everyone pretty much agrees that he's awful in the ring. However, Kevin Nash has one thing over the likes of a lot of young, athletically talented wrestlers and that's the ability to care. When Sting asked him “why?” on the Impact after Slammiversary, Kevin Nash responded with his song of the century. Not only was it his song of the century, it was a fucking awesome song of the century. Kevin Nash earned himself 5 months in my good books with that promo and was it that hard? No. All he had to do was tell us exactly what he felt, nothing more nothing less. I just wish it could be done more in wrestling.

That just about wraps up another edition of BCR is Wrestling. I don't have much more to add so I'll leave with this: "It's something unpredictable, but in the end It's right. I hope you had the time of your life."
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Old 08-10-2009, 07:36 AM
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Looking for hidden messages in songs and writing a column about it? What kind of nutter does that? Oh, right...

Nice little column from you sir, even though I don't like Green Day that much, I will admit to having enjoyed this, and you certainly worked the quotes in well with the topics. Wow, that feels weird saying it to someone else for a change.

Anyway, a good solid edition of BCRIW. You know the score, next time and all that.
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Old 08-10-2009, 09:09 AM
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I enjoyed this much more than your previous column. I know maybe one Green Day song, and I could really care less about them (METALLICA4LIFE), but I enjoyed it.

One thing:
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One of the current wrestlers who could be described as feeling burnt out is Jeff Hardy. I've seen people call Jeff selfish, but what people need to realise is that you can't go on doing what you don't love.
This might be me, but I don't think it was the fact he is leaving that warrents him being called selfish. When the rumors first started popping up, he put on his website (twitter or some damn thing) something like "3 Weeks Till I'm free." Many just felt like he was rubbing it in the fans faces.

Anyway, I enjoyed it and I'll read you next time. Peace.

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Old 08-10-2009, 01:38 PM
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You were able to work in some great topics with these songs. I liked what you said about Nash. The passion and creativity that good mic workers put into their promos should be taken into account more often, as that's what puts the rears in the seats, as you insinuated.

Very interesting take on Russo. You said he has been a booker three weeks, so if he booked the 200th episode of IMPACT, I have to give him props. I also thought the brawl was good, but I would have preferred it be later on after they developed Eric Young and Hernandez and Lashley more, and I’d like to see have seen it claim some casualties.

Good topics and depth in this column. As you can see, you have me thinking.
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Thank you for writing this Box Car, it was simply amazing. The Russo booking is now up in the air as you said whether he has been at fault all these years or not, and I too marked like crazy for that brawl. It was random, funny, and crazy at the same time, much like your column! Anyways, good stuff man.
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interesting concept box car. overall, im split. i personally thought this took a little bit to get into and was disappointed that most of the green day songs you quoted were off 21st century breakdown, which (while a very good album) is not close to american idiot, dookie or kerplunk. also, no time of your life quote?! other than that though, i thought the column picked up in the middle and was very fun to read from there. good effort, and id like to see you perhaps do a couple more of these w other bands.
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It was a bit boring to start with, but once I got into it, I found myself enjoying it.

This was a well-thought out and fairly engaging column.
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Cool idea, BCR, but this wasn't your best work.

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The epic 400000 man brawl on last week’s Impact was one of the greatest things I've ever seen in wrestling, and it was all Russo! I hadn't marked out like that in a long time; from Bubba Ray choking Steiner with a table to Cute Kip cleaning up the trash after it, it was all awesome!
Really? I wanted to enjoy the "riot," but I felt absolutely no emotion from it; simply sheer boredom. "Why?" you may ask, and the answer is simple: it didn't feel spontaneous. When guys are walking out of the dressing room and rivals are following two feet behind each other without physical contact, it's ridiculous. This really could have been a special moment; sucks that it was pulled off so poorly. I do agree about Billy Gunn, though. That shit was funny.

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Now I'm a huge fan of Booker T, have been since he started talking gibberish last year, but if your mind is 100% on wrestling then you shouldn't still be in the business.
Really bad typo that changed the entire meaning of your paragraph.

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Now this one is quite obvious when taken out of its true context, yet it can relate to almost anything in life. Whether you are an actor like J-Boom, a musician like Leonard or a column writer like the rest of us, you are expected the go out there and give whatever it is you are doing 110% each and every time. Whether it be wrestling the match of the century, cut us the promo of the century, show us the facial reaction of the century or be the biggest badass of the century, wrestlers have to do it.
I really liked this paragraph.
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Freeman - Hi newbie, may if your thinking of doing a column one day you could try quoting stuff and using it in your columns.

Creeping - Maybe that's how he felt, trapped. I don't see why he isn't allowed to state how he feels about being trapped, especially if that's how he really felt.

B Squared - With Eric Young, he was going against Jarrett for a month or so before "realising his mistakes" and asking for one more chance with Foley. He got that chance and double crossed the originals again which made a fair few angry at him.

Chrisss - It did have all of those things. My pop, who can basically only remember the mafia, learnt a lot of new superstars from this brawl because he was so in to it.

Cult - I'm not to familiar with Kerplunk but I might bring this back later and do a few things off Dookie and Warning. As for other bands, I don't listen to a lot of other bands so it would be hard to focus on one band.

Andy - My attempts at humour made you struggle to get into it straight away I'm assuming.

Xan - I was too caught up in it to notice flaws, it was just entertaining as all hell. As for the typo... DAMN.

Thanks to everyone who read.
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I liked this BCR for its creativity. Some very clever observations here too.

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Randy Orton attacking Shane McMahon and Triple H, that’s fine, but when he attacked Stephanie McMahon, that was crossing the line.
I liked this section. Its a very simple idea, the whole "crossing the line" concept in wrestling but its one I never really think about. The comparison between attacking a wrestlers wife as opposed to a wrestler is a very good example. The sing us the song of the century section was very well written also!

Ideas like this are solid my friend, if you come up with more then I would urge you to turn them into columns. Nice read, and I'll catch ya next time.

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To be honest BCR, when I read the first quote and it's paragraph, I stopped reading it.

However, when I reread it, all the other quotes were fantastic. I don't want to sound blunt, but the first quote wasn't good at all. You tried comedy, but it really didn't work. The rest of the column was fantastic, but I just think you need to think before you post it and ask yourself 'will this actually be funny?'.

Sorry to sound blunt, but I didn't want to lie. Read you next time.
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But like I said, he really shouldn't have done that. He was just rubbing the fact that he is leaving into all the fans' faces. That was what made him selfish. Disrespecting all who supported him, all the little kids (great leverage) and the rest of us. If he felt trapped, fine. Ask for a release, when it happens, explain why on his website, but don't start a fucking countdown.
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