How do we fix TNA

[briguy]

if keeping hogan turn him into a none wrestling "mr macmahon"

[cklavinski]

But TNA is a wrestling company. Wrestling is how they make their money. They don't have a film division, they don't have a music division, they don't have a television division (beyond Impact), they don't have a stage or art division. TNA has one division: Wrestling. By definition they are a wrestling company, not an "entertainment" company.

WWE is an entertainment company by definition. Wrestling is what keeps them afloat but they have a film division and a music division. That by definition makes them an entertainment company.

They need to improve what they're putting on TV (no doubt) but I think you're confusing being a Wrestling Promotion with a TV Deal like RoH and TNA with being an Entertainment Juggernaut like WWE.

That is the misconception about TNA. They are not a wrestling company, they are an entertainment company that specializes in wrestling. In ring live entertainment is one portion of their business and revenue stream. DVD's, liscensing, games, & trading cards are just a few of the items they make money off of as well.

Believe it or not TNA wants to become the WWE. They want the market share and they want all the money that comes with it. They want multiple high profile divisions, large scale identity in popular culture, and world wide acceptance/profitability. While they don't have everything now, they are pushing to cement their name in film, music, and any other niche they can find.

The problem is there people in TNA who believe they are a wrestling company and people who believe they are an entertainment company. The struggle translates to presentation inconsistencies and an overall poor product. As viewers of this program we see it on a weekly basis. We know they have good entertainers and we know that they have some talented people backstage as well. But none of that matters until the company and the people completely except themselves as a multi faceted entertainment company instead of a single minded wrestling company.

[nakedboy]

That is the misconception about TNA. They are not a wrestling company, they are an entertainment company that specializes in wrestling. In ring live entertainment is one portion of their business and revenue stream. DVD's, liscensing, games, & trading cards are just a few of the items they make money off of as well.

Believe it or not TNA wants to become the WWE. They want the market share and they want all the money that comes with it. They want multiple high profile divisions, large scale identity in popular culture, and world wide acceptance/profitability. While they don't have everything now, they are pushing to cement their name in film, music, and any other niche they can find.

The problem is there people in TNA who believe they are a wrestling company and people who believe they are an entertainment company. The struggle translates to presentation inconsistencies and an overall poor product. As viewers of this program we see it on a weekly basis. We know they have good entertainers and we know that they have some talented people backstage as well. But none of that matters until the company and the people completely except themselves as a multi faceted entertainment company instead of a single minded wrestling company.

That is a sure way to fail and go bankrupt. WWE did not become multi faceted until they were solid in wrestling. They may have dabbled in it by releasing wrestler albums and having Hogan in movies but it was only recently they created their own film company. TNA needs to focus on wrestling for now. And when I say wrestling I am talking pro wrestling which encompasses wrestling AND entertainment as it pertains to their show. As they work on this over the next few years then can dabble in other forms of entertainment to get their feet wet and understand how those businesses work plus get some exposure for their guys. But they should not get into it to much now or they will spread themselves to thin. Have some of their wrestlers maybe appear on some shows on Spike. We have seen Sabin and Shelly on one of the video game preview shows. Have them host a special "1000 ways to die" or the next Spike produced show. The main thing is remember this is a business and most successful businesses start off slow and work on growing at a safe pace without trying to do to much at one time.

[Venom]

1. Get rid of Brutus Magnus, Suicide, Shark Boy (what's the point of having him if you only use him at *HOUSE SHOWS*), Kevin Nash (espically), and everyone else beyond the age of 45 thats an active wrestler.

2. Hire Paul Heyman

3. Fire Russo

4. Bring back the 6 sided ring

5. Put Don West as commentator (some might disagree). Tazz is boring as hell... Don West is entertaining. Tenay was only good with West. Face West and retarded heel West (who became more entertaining, but more retarded), were better.

6. Hire Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas (unless they don't make him team with Benjamin at first).

7. Do NOT hire any over the age of 40 or bring in WWE scrubs (Jesse, Mike Knox, Carlito, Katie Lea).

[Crown]

You contradicted yourself. Hire Benjamin and Haas but DON'T hire WWE scrubs? And what's wrong with Magnus? And Suicide's technically just a character, like the Black Scorpion in WCW.

[TeamFarrell]

1. Get rid of Brutus Magnus, Suicide, Shark Boy (what's the point of having him if you only use him at *HOUSE SHOWS*), Kevin Nash (espically), and everyone else beyond the age of 45 thats an active wrestler.

2. Hire Paul Heyman

3. Fire Russo

4. Bring back the 6 sided ring

5. Put Don West as commentator (some might disagree). Tazz is boring as hell... Don West is entertaining. Tenay was only good with West. Face West and retarded heel West (who became more entertaining, but more retarded), were better.

6. Hire Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas (unless they don't make him team with Benjamin at first).

7. Do NOT hire any over the age of 40 or bring in WWE scrubs (Jesse, Mike Knox, Carlito, Katie Lea).

FAIL

[nakedboy]

Not sure the pops Sharkboy gets but if decent that alone is reason to keep him in TNA. He is a funny character and TNA original. You cant have all the big names at house shows so Sharky is a nice fill in plus another reason to see a house show, the uniqueness of it. SHELL YEA!!!!

[rahman82]

How do we fix TNA?

hire me, TF, and couple of other LOP posters and we'll turn that company upside down and shake the shit out of it and put back on track...at the very least we collect a check for 6 months before being replaced like Bischoff and Hogan.

[Westward-ho]

We'll at least make a lesbian angle with Velvet Sky and Maddison Rayne.

[MournDespana]

I know, giving the fans what they want, and that means... NO MORE WWE REJECTS.

topical guys are okay, but the over 40 crowd has got to go.

[The Dirty Duce]

These are reall y good idea's I am takign notes and others have seen some of these notes. Who know's the changes you want to see might even come true. Keep posting and we will keep reading.

[mr chop]

They need to hire Adam the Video guy so there promo videos will be less...whats the word?....shit.

Also, this "not hire the over 40's" deal. Its not the age thats the issue surely, its whether they can add to the product without engulfing it. Flair, for example, is getting great reactions and has put over Lethal like fucking gangbusters.

[Dropkick Murphy]

These are reall y good idea's I am takign notes and others have seen some of these notes. Who know's the changes you want to see might even come true. Keep posting and we will keep reading.

Anyone else calling this guys bluff yet?? But hey, with his writing abilities maybe he IS a member of the TNA writing staff!

[DaBadGuy]

"but the over 40 crowd has got to go."

Yeah TNA, what the hell do you have Kurt Angle on your roster for? That guy is OLD, what a fucking bum!

And Ric Flair? This guy is in his 60's! I mean, forget the fact that he put Lethal on the map in no time at all, forget the fact that he still gets some of the the biggest reactions from fans, forget the fact the he can still put on a more entertaining match than 80% of guys today, forget the fact the guy has produced some of the funniest and best promos of the year, forget all that, the guy is OLD. What a fucking bum!

[MournDespana]

yeah, umm wait to see how many ECW originals are over 40. Angle proves his worth, but he wasn't a reject, he chose to go to TNA, not had to.

[DaBadGuy]

yeah, umm wait to see how many ECW originals are over 40. Angle proves his worth, but he wasn't a reject, he chose to go to TNA, not had to.

I never said the ECW guys weren't over 40, and I never said I didn't want them gone. That doesn't mean I want everyone over 40 gone like you do.

[MournDespana]

Have you seen the list of guys the brought in this year? Name one that still "has it." Its tough to say any. They just bring in guys who were in WWE at one time. Not anyone who has the game or charisma left for an audience. Angle, he's wonderful. Nasty Boys, suck balls. Hall...

[MissouriDragon]

TNA marks have the sandiest vaginas.

Look, Flair and Angle should be gone for the sake of their health. I love Nash, but I never want to see him step in a ring again. He already walks like he's 80.

[DaBadGuy]

Have you seen the list of guys the brought in this year? Name one that still "has it." Its tough to say any. They just bring in guys who were in WWE at one time. Not anyone who has the game or charisma left for an audience. Angle, he's wonderful. Nasty Boys, suck balls. Hall...

What does this have to do with anything that I said?

[MournDespana]

sorry, to disappoint you.

[Crown]

I'm just gonna say this once, so we can all stop talking about it. You want Flair out of TNA? Shoot him. In the face. It's the only way you'll get Ric-Goddamn-Flair to stop wrestling. Now stop bringing it up.

[Dropkick Murphy]

Have you seen the list of guys the brought in this year? Name one that still "has it." Its tough to say any. They just bring in guys who were in WWE at one time. Not anyone who has the game or charisma left for an audience. Angle, he's wonderful. Nasty Boys, suck balls. Hall...

Pope. Brian Kendrick. Jeff Hardy (when he came in at first... he's kinda losing it now though). Mr. Anderson.

Guys not associated to WWE: Desmond Wolfe, Generation Me.

You must be thinking of guys that left as soon as they came because TNA realized they weren't needed: Sean Morley, the Nasties, Scott Hall, Sean Waltman.
And how often are these old guys who don't 'have it' wrestling these days anyway? Nash? Jarrett? Sting? Once a month maybe?

[MournDespana]

Flair.

Brought up

[rahman82]

age shouldnt matter, ability and skill is what counts if 55 year old can work a better match than a 25 year old then give me the old guy i dont care of he's a WWE, WCW, AWA reject or not. Yes Hall, the Nastys and a few others failed but Flair, Angle and grumpy old Sting have been 3 of the better wrestlers in TNA this year. As for Nash Im a huge Nash fan but his time in the ring needs to end, one of the things i would do to fix TNA is take Taz out of the booth and put Nash in as color, he cant wrestle anymore but he can still out talk nearly 90% of TNAs roster, He's intelligent, charismatic and has the in ring pedigree all the things i want in a color commentator.

[nakedboy]

TNA marks have the sandiest vaginas.

Look, Flair and Angle should be gone for the sake of their health. I love Nash, but I never want to see him step in a ring again. He already walks like he's 80.

Thats so the WWE zombies can feel something on their wrinkly tiny peters. Oh wait thats not their peters, thats them.

As far as Nasty Boys I do not think they failed because I doubt they were looked as a long term thing. They were just party favors for the Hogan/Eric Era. They made an appearance, wrestled a bit then left. You can call it a guest appearance on Impact.

And if TNA needs to get rid of guys over 40 does that mean WWE gets rid of HHH and Undertaker? Hmm maybe seeing as they are on the shelf and they got rid of Shawn after his and Undertakers "awful" match at WM.

[mr chop]

Pope. Brian Kendrick. Jeff Hardy (when he came in at first... he's kinda losing it now though). Mr. Anderson.

Guys not associated to WWE: Desmond Wolfe, Generation Me.

You must be thinking of guys that left as soon as they came because TNA realized they weren't needed: Sean Morley, the Nasties, Scott Hall, Sean Waltman.
And how often are these old guys who don't 'have it' wrestling these days anyway? Nash? Jarrett? Sting? Once a month maybe?

Jarrett, Sting and Nash get ALOT of TV time though. Sting got a title shot recently. Nash was out destroying Kendrick the other night. The rest of your post is spot on though, these guys were dumped pretty fast. I'm actually curious who made the call on alot of those guys.

Thats so the WWE zombies can feel something on their wrinkly tiny peters. Oh wait thats not their peters, thats them.

Are you saying that WWE fans regularly fuck TNA fans? Cos thats how it reads.

[makeo]

Look, Flair and Angle should be gone for the sake of their health.

Everytime I watch Kurt Angle, I get this promo in my mind, and wonder if Eddie Kingston based it on him, or Angle bases his matches on it. ;)



EDIT: Oh, and TNA is unfixable. I've checked with a guy who used to be able to do a Rubik's cube in 5 seconds. He doesn't know how it even got to the state it is with the talent they have. Says either someone has changed the rules of nature or "it is proof of the existance of a wilfully perverse god." Didn't say which though.

[RexaR]

Thats so the WWE zombies can feel something on their wrinkly tiny peters. Oh wait thats not their peters, thats them.

As far as Nasty Boys I do not think they failed because I doubt they were looked as a long term thing. They were just party favors for the Hogan/Eric Era. They made an appearance, wrestled a bit then left. You can call it a guest appearance on Impact.

And if TNA needs to get rid of guys over 40 does that mean WWE gets rid of HHH and Undertaker? Hmm maybe seeing as they are on the shelf and they got rid of Shawn after his and Undertakers "awful" match at WM.

The difference between taker and MOST of the over 40 guys at TNA is that Taker can out wrestle almost every single one of them AND taker is also a master of ring psychology.

and im not a WWE Zombie (that term is so retarded), i keep up with both companies and i also watch indys.

[Dropkick Murphy]

Jarrett, Sting and Nash get ALOT of TV time though. Sting got a title shot recently. Nash was out destroying Kendrick the other night. The rest of your post is spot on though, these guys were dumped pretty fast. I'm actually curious who made the call on alot of those guys.

They do get TV time, for the reason that they are quite over. (Or in Jarrett's case, owner of the company)
I agree they might get a bit too much time, but as long as that time is spent working with younger wrestlers, then it's a positive use of time. In other words, if last week is any indication of a full blown Jarrett vs Nash feud, then that's a waste of these guys. But look at Flair's work with Jay Lethal. These older guys have a lot to give to the youth, and can still provide pops from the audience. Just remember, the highest segment rating that TNA has ever got had Hogan, Hall, Bischoff, Nash and Syxx Pac in the ring NOT wrestling. The highest rating wrestling has ever got was Rock and Mankind NOT wrestling. Why? The level of overness and charisma these guys have. That's what guys like Nash, Foley, Sting, Flair and Hogan bring to the table right now.


EDIT: (Not directed at chopski) Can people stop with the term WWE Zombie? It makes you look like a blind mark. People have different preferences, and different areas of a show that they pay more attention to. You are giving the rest of us TNA fans a bad rap.

[mr chop]

Absolutely mate, Sting SHOULD be working with the young 'uns. In the last few months its been Jarrett, RVD, Hogan he's been facing off against. It's a real waste of his knowledge. Nash is always gold on the mic, I'd be happy to see him as a mouthpeice for a heel group (like when he was involved with the X Division before). Jarrett is actually a decent old school sorta worker. He's mid card at best though. Really he needs to fuck off my screen. He's not a draw.

"Chopski" I've now heard every variation of my name :D

[MissouriDragon]

Thats so the WWE zombies can feel something on their wrinkly tiny peters. Oh wait thats not their peters, thats them.

Nigga at least try to make it funny.

[DaBadGuy]

And if TNA needs to get rid of guys over 40 does that mean WWE gets rid of HHH and Undertaker? Hmm maybe seeing as they are on the shelf and they got rid of Shawn after his and Undertakers "awful" match at WM.

Don't forget Regal, Kane, Chris Jericho and Chavo Guerrero in a couple months. These old bums are just taking up TV time.

[Hustle]

Thats so the WWE zombies can feel something on their wrinkly tiny peters. Oh wait thats not their peters, thats them.

Quite possibly the worst insult ever hurled at anyone in the history of LoP.

[MissouriDragon]

Yeah, and I'm sure you'd all shit all over Shawn Michaels showing up on Impact next week.

Fuckin' has-been.

[TeamFarrell]

Don't forget Regal, Kane, Chris Jericho and Chavo Guerrero in a couple months. These old bums are just taking up TV time.

Right, I forgot that Kevin Nash or Jarrett can put on a match anywhere near as good as HHH, Taker, Regal, Kane, Jericho or Chavo...

[DaBadGuy]

Right, I forgot that Kevin Nash or Jarrett can put on a match anywhere near as good as HHH, Taker, Regal, Kane, Jericho or Chavo...

What does that have to do with anything? The premise was that if you are 40 or over you need to go, regardless if you are Kurt Angle, Ric Flair, William Regal or the Undertaker. The 40 crowd needs to get the F OUT!

[TeamFarrell]

No, if you're over 40 and don't add anything to the product you need to get out.

You don't understand the argument. But that doesn't surprise me since you think Kevin Nash is the best worker ever.

[DaBadGuy]

No, if you're over 40 and don't add anything to the product you need to get out.

You don't understand the argument. But that doesn't surprise me since you think Kevin Nash is the best worker ever.

I understand the argument just fine. I am of the same opinion as you, it doesn't matter about age as long you can still contribute, but that's not the opinion of so many others. For them, if you are old (40+) you should be fired.

And no I don't think Nash is the greatest worker, but it is obvious you didn't watch iMPACT! this past week, it's just a play off something funny Nash said.

[TeamFarrell]

No, I didn't watch Impact Thursday. TNA has more or less lost me as a viewer for the summer except for when I can download Impact. Its far too nice out here for me to waste such late sunsets on Impact.

If I can find a torrent that'll go relatively fast, I'll watch but I wasn't able to find a torrent for last week's.

I watched a stream of the final segment and that was it.

[Irishsara]

The most successful angle in TNA history? the Main Event Mafia (Bunch of old dudes)

Best Wrestler in TNA ? Kurt Angle

Where would Jay Lethal be without Kevin Nash?

Who gave a younger wrestler his best match this year? Jay lethal was given a shot by Ric Flair.


Where would Beer Money be without Team 3D? I mean they were a thrown together tag team that Team 3D got over.

The whole point of older stars is to get over the younger stars

You need a mix of veterans and young stars. This has ALWAYS been the fact with successful wrestling companies.

If the vet can give something to your company then you bring them in (if the money is right)

Would The British Invasion benefit from William Regal?

Would Hall, Nash, and Brian Kendrick benefit from an HBK storyline?

Would LAX benefit from Chavo Gurerro?

Kurt Angle is in better shape then Jeff Hardy (who looks like shit)

I think when Hall heals up he should go back to TNA because he was fucking entertaining.