Reply With QuoteYou're missing the point. It's not that LEBron left, it's the manner and the womanish way in which he did it.Originally Posted by KeenanField
Nope. Just got traded to...
MINNESOTA.
Eh, at least Kahn is trying, bless his heart.
You're missing the point. It's not that LEBron left, it's the manner and the womanish way in which he did it.
Nobody's disliking Dan Gilbert for his letter. LeBron "wins" that one, hands down.
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Attendance during the 2002-2003 season for the Cavs before LeBron James arrived: WORST IN THE FUCKING LEAGUE
Attendance through his last season in Cleveland: 2nd Best in the League.
Where the fuck was Cleveland fans before LeBron arrived? Fucking bandwagon riders who didn't give a shit about the NBA, but suddenly does when the Cavs won the Draft Lottery to pick him.
What the fuck did the Cavs had before LeBron?
Exactly. It's up to the team to put a good product on the court first and foremost.
Of cause, this explains why Lebron changed his number from 23. Miami have retired #23 in honour of MJ.
Dan gilbert spittin straight venom. I love it even though he's one delusional mutha fucker if he thinks the cavs are winning a title before lebron
At least Cleveland has the Indians and Browns to fall back on.
People are driving by lebron's house in akron cussing him out. Police obviously present at his home.
^ police are leaving presents at his front door. Its flaming and smells pretty shitty.
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That rant from Dan Gilbert is just full of hurt feelings. He comes across like a jilted-lover. Maybe that is how Cavs fans, management, and the city of Cleveland feels right now. In a way it was almost like LeBron not only cheated Cleveland with another woman, but she turned out to be smoking hot and he videotaped the whole thing and invited the whole Cleveland family along with everyone else on the block over to his house for a BBQ and he unveiled the sex tape on a 60 inch 600Hz 1080p 3DTV. I can see why they are warm over there.
As I stated earlier I don't feel sorry for him one bit with all the venom coming his way right now because he asked for it, but a the same time some of the comments Gilbert made were a little pretentious. You can be mad at the ridiculous way he handled this, but don't dilute the fact that without LeBron James, Cleveland might not even have a basketball team right now. Show some class where LeBron did not.
I think the NBA filled it's marquee XMas game for this season tonight, Miami at Lakers, maybe in Miami but most likely in LA.
Too bad cleveland isn't gonna be competitive, it would've surely earned that spot. Maybe Miami and cleveland for an appetizer and a celtics-lakers game for the main event?
I love the Dan Gilbert letter and LeBron backlash. I think that he is crazy for suggesting the Cavs will win a ring before Miami considering how long it will take to rebuild that team if they can even get to that level again but I can understand the frustration and him being pissed off. The letter was clearly reactionary and based on what he was feeling at the moment.
Still saying that I am also not convinced the Heat will even be in the NBA Finals next year, once again it all depends what they put around them. The fact that people seem to have forgotten about the Lakers even though they’ve won the last two NBA Championships is hilarious and I am sure has brought a smile to Kobe Bryant’s face. I can’t wait for the season to start.
Under NBA rules, once teams reach the NBA salary cap, which Wednesday was set at $58 million, only minimum-salary players can be added thereafter.
Among veterans who potentially could be added to the Heat at the minimum level this offseason are Raja Bell, Larry Hughes, Flip Murray, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Devean George, Brian Skinner, Damien Wilkins, Trenton Hassell, Jarvis Hayes, Jason Williams, former Missouri star Keyon Dooling, Eddie House, Etan Thomas and Ime Udoka.
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That's funny.
Pitchers and Catchers make winning easier.
If I wore an Eddie Jones #6 jersey to a Heat game this year, think their fans would even notice the difference, they'd probably start asking me "I thought Lebron's last name was James?"
If the Magic can get rid of VC (probably the main reason the entire team stopped caring), then they're still quite good, from a top to bottom perspective.
Bingo. Exactly what I'd do if I was setting things up.
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Uh oh looks like Mike Miller's joining Miami. Amazing what a solid player like he will do to that team. Makes me a little more worried about em.
That is so fucking ridiculous and shows what a joke Miami Heat is. They also retired Dan Marino's number.
Alright, so now they have a starting five.
Do you think that Eric Spoelstra is already having visions of Pat Riley plunging the knife in his back and taking his job.
also gaining weight and acting like he's a paranoid caffeine addict during every timeout.
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Lol. They were headed by Paul Silas and had great team players like Ricky Davis.
Go back a couple pages and you will see the highlight from that time period
Knicks news: Isiaiah Thomas was sent to Akron in a last ditch effort to close LBJ. You can laugh if you want lol.
And Unc, your team may want to lock up another gm in case the Donnie Walsh retirement rumor is true. Maybe Kevin Pritchard?? Walsh has atleast left the team in better shape than Zeke and Layden. You got cap room a few young talent players and an All Star big man.
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Ain't Joe a Pacers fan?
Exactly, he saved basketball in Cleveland. Without him, I say the Cavs are out of Cleveland in 10 years. Even the Clippers, who are the NBA's joke had better attendance than the Cavs before LeBron. The Cavs were in ruin before LeBron came to Cleveland, and he is the reason they were selling out. The front office surrounded LeBron with nothing. He has every right to go somewhere else, and he doesn't owe Cleveland anything. The fans shouldn't blame LeBron, blame the front office of the Cavs.
I do have to laugh at the fans burning LeBron merchandise. I'm sure LeBron's crying about that, he already got the money from them buying it. Why not donate it to Goodwill, a homeless shelter, a church or the Salvation Army? But nope gotta burn it.
Dan Gilbert's letter is definitely interesting, though, as a lifelong Ohioan (and proud Clevelander), I think he's kidding himself when he says we'll get a championship ring before LeBron. The truth is, the Cavs probably won't make the playoffs this year, next year, or the year after. Our best bet is to do what we did in the early 00s - get lottery picks and hope we strike gold. Unfortunately, aside from LeBron, our draft picks pre-LeBron were awful so I don't think even THAT is gonna work. I don't think I'm being overly pessimistic when I say that Cleveland is headed into a desert and we won't be walking out of it for at least a decade.
As for LeBron, well, it's hard to not be angry about it. It's also a shame that while he *could've* gone down as one of the greatest sports heroes ever, he will now be just another player. Had he never played in Cleveland, I don't think I'd be saying that, BUT when you play for your hometown, a city that has been craving a winner for 50+ years, and you end up leaving without doing what you promised to do, well, you take yourself out of the conversation. He didn't deliver. He can win 5-6 titles in Miami but it will never change the fact that he couldn't do it the right way - for his hometown.
Now that this whole thing is over, I think alot of the Cleveland writers are hitting the nail on the head. If LeBron would've just said, back in June, that he was committed to Cleveland and that he wasn't going to leave until he won a Championship for the city - well, Bosh, who was "anti-Cleveland," probably would've come over here. Maybe Miller would've come to. Gilbert has already made it clear that he's willing to go into the luxury tax to have a contender. Maybe this season wouldn't have put us in the Finals, but then again, we had the best record in the league last year and I think its apparent that we lost in the playoffs because LeBron was more focused on his free agency than carrying his lackluster squad the way he had been doing all year.
One last note - a message to any top tier player in the NBA: If you come to Cleveland, this city is going to totally blow you. We are the jilted lover, so, that means our next boyfriend is going to get all the freaky sex, BJs, and ball-sucking that LeBron got, even if they aren't half the player he is. In fact, you're going to get MORE of it than he did, if that is humanly possible (which I don't believe it is).
I thought it was hilarious how gilbert said lebron quit in all the losses in the celtics series. Not just game 5 or 6, each game they lost he quit on them. I find that hard to believe.
Cavs 75-1 odds to win next yrs title, amazingly better then twolves odds at 120-1. I'd bet the twolves before cavs
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Yeah I forgot Unc was a Pacers fan. He was talking about the Knicks potential yesterday so my mind warped.
Rated, Harrison Barnes a Cav next year??
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Nah, how often does the worst team draw the top pick plus i keep hearing kyrie irving will give barnes a battle for the top spot in next yrs draft. I guess barnes could end up there but he's not lebron.
I can't be bothered to go back and read all the stuff said since Lebron's announcement last night, so I'm just going to say my schmeil. I'm sure some of it has been said already....
Say what you want about Lebron, but he is a PR stud. He carries himself well, speaks like he made it past the 8th grade (something 90% of the NBA fails to do), dresses like a professional, and answers everything thrown at him with pure class, which is impressive for a guy that came to the NBA straight out of high school. He speaks and acts far more PC than Kobe x10, which will do nothing but help the "Lebron" brand over the long run.
Sure, he didn't do the "right thing" and stay in Cleveland, but who cares, he owed them nothing. If anything, they should still be praising him for saving that shit hole city for as long as he did. Yeah, Cleveland might as well be bull dozed into Lake Erie now, but while Lebron was there, he did nothing but put that city back on the map in a positive way.
Not saying he is, but he could give those fans some hope of building a new young nucleus a la OKC. I'm not saying he's Durant or Lebron or that kind of a star but he's a highly regarded prospect. Barring him being severly exposed on the college level he'll be a lottery pick and the Cavs will be in the lottery most likely.
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I can't believe there's still people out there that haven't figured out that all the lebron backlash has NOTHING to do with leaving cleveland. It's all about how the process played out and then ripping cavs fans hearts out on television with all the hoop la
It has everything to do with him leaving Cleveland.
Who gives a fuck how he did it. That city bent over backwards and sucked his peripheral dick for the past 7 years, and in turn, the city expected him to stay. I don't think he's a dick for leaving by any means, but saying "I can't believe there's still people out there that haven't figured out that all the lebron backlash has NOTHING to do with leaving cleveland." is absolutely retarded.
Another tidbit to what I said in my last post about Lebron being a PR stud, his mom had him at 16 and his dad is an ex-con. At 18 yrs old he cashed a $90M check from Nike. The kid was just breed to be the stereotype, yet came out the complete opposite spectrum. Gotta give the guy props man.
Ignore cavs fans, they're emotional train wrecks. The neutral fans with no allegiance to any of the teams involved in his chase aren't bashing lebron for leaving cleveland. They're bashing him for being a self absorbed jackass piggybacking on the super team growing in Miami. So yeah it really has nothing to do with him leaving cleveland, players change teams. It happens.
That maybe true, but that's a group of people, not everyone.
and if Lebron going to the Heat is considered him being "self absorbed jackass piggybacking on the super team", then I guess Karl Malone, Shaquille O'Neil, Kevin Garnett, Charles Barkley, and a shit ton of other guys I can't think of right now, are also "self absorbed jackass piggybacking on the super team".
Miami is a top 5 city in the U.S. to live in, especially if you have the money to live there, like Lebron. Sure, being with Wade and Bosh is huge, but it's hardly the only perk of his move.
Had the 3 of them gone to Cleveland, everyone would be like "WTF!?"
Everyone other then shaq is correct Slap, shaq had nothing to prove. There's a difference between established stars with rings landing in a nice situation then guys that were looking for that ring.
Wow that Dan Gilbert is an idiot. He might as well sell the Cavs now because no free agent will ever come and play for that guy. In fact, I bet that any stud rookie will hesitate to hire an agent if Cleveland happens to win the draft lottery on a year they could come out early. He has screwed his team in so many ways that it's laughable. Current players are going to side with LeBron, and Nike is definitely going to side with LeBron. So stupid.
That letter is definitely one of those, "it's ok to think this, but not say it out loud" deals.
Stern should fine Gilbert as well. You can't accuse guys of quitting when the league is notorious for having image problems with game fixes and whatnot. I honestly think Gilbert's comments are way worse than anything Mark Cuban has ever said when he's gotten fined.
Miami is going to be really good, but for some reason I'm not entirely sold that they can get past the physical Southeastern Division. The Bobcats probably won't give them any issues, but The Magic? The Hawks? Both teams are big, both teams are physical, and we all saw how well D-Wade and Lebron played when someone got physical with them. I don't give a damn who Miami signs, I don't care if Pat Riley comes out of retirement, it just doesn't matter to me because in my eyes the road to the title still goes through Atlanta, still goes through Boston, and still goes through Orlando.
I can remember a certain other big three that didn't exactly pan out.
Carter, Kidd, and Jefferson anyone?
The only thing Cuban has ever gotten fined for is criticizing the league or the refs (or tampering with players on other teams). You can't fine an owner for bad mouthing his own guys.
All of the aforementioned guys just quietly signed a new deal with their respective teams and were done with it. Had any of those guys put on the shameless spectacle LeBron did then they would have gotten similar backlash.
Had Lebron James of just quietly met with the Miami Heat and signed a new deal(like Kevin Durant did with Oklahoma City) and moved on from Cleveland people would have been disappointed, but not venomous like they are now. Look at Amar'e Stoudamire. They had been trying to trade him even before the season was over. He didn't complain. Fans didn't want to see him go. He quietly signed a deal with the New York Knicks and was done with it. LeBron James leaving to go play for another teams is NOT the core of why he's getting it handed to him right now. It's the manner in which he did it and it doesn't need to be explained again. He could have used the special to thank the Cleveland fans for all their support over the years and came out looking like a champ. Remember how huggy-buggy people were all over Brett Favre in his retirement presser? "Oh, what a true champion..." Yadda-yadda-yadda. Turned out to be a bunch of garbage.
The truth is, fans are very easily manipulated and maybe King James has been talking to Lord Favre to get some pointers on how to do so because Lebron went from a Padawan Learner to the Jedi High Council in media manipulation in less than a week.
I agree with romans 3:23 that Gilbert should be fined and if he isn't then tha will further increase the credibility of the argument that the National Basketball Association is now the worldwide leader in SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT, not the WWE.
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