NFL Offseason Discussion [Archive]

Rogue

05-24-2010, 02:43 PM

In the AFC my early favorites are the Ravens and Chargers. In the NFC it's the Saints and Packers.

My early AFC favorites are the Colts and the Jets. I'm still not totally sold on the Jets as a team, but on paper, they should be scary good this season. San Diego is always dangerous, and I look for Miami to have a strong year as well, especially if Marshall can get healthy.

In the NFC, I think you gotta go with the Vikings and Saints. The Saints have lost a few players from last years' team, but that offense is still ridiculous. Washington could be a surprise team, given the veteran leadership on both sides of the ball, plus a top 5 QB in McNabb.

vinnypic

05-24-2010, 03:45 PM

I can't BELIEVE Parcells got a draft pick for Smiley.

BP is a dark lord.

T.O.

05-24-2010, 05:47 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5214509

This case could end up having huge NFL CBA/lockout implications. The NFL is losing a lot in court lately.

Spartacus

05-25-2010, 12:00 AM

I got a Colts vs. Dolphins in AFC, and Falcons vs. Vikes in NFC. While we get the finale of Vikes vs. Dolphins. Lions, and Titans are my darkhorses to make the playoffs. Saints and Jets are my darkhorses to miss the playoffs.

DeAndes

05-25-2010, 12:14 AM

The Dolphins? In the AFC Title game?

That's like me saying the Raiders will make it to the playoffs.

Pipe and dream. Put those together.

RatedDAL

05-25-2010, 08:23 AM

The Jets or the dolphins are gonna be busts this year, don't think both will but one of them i feel confident is going to be flat out a big time bust.

Uncle Joe

05-25-2010, 08:27 AM

T.O.

05-25-2010, 08:18 PM

RatedDAL

05-26-2010, 09:34 AM

Will Roy Williams ever just shut the hell up? Dude's not as good as he thinks and the hype has insinuated he is since he left texas. The way he talks you'd think he's a 5 time pro bowler, now him and romo are the new Montana and rice according to him. Get outta here with that garbage

FoonZeeS

05-26-2010, 01:57 PM

Lions winning 6-7 games. Haha, gimme a break. This is the Lions people.

Split with Chi-Town
Lose both to Green Bay and Vikes
Lose to NE, The Jetters, Giants, Dallas and Tampa
Beat the Rams
A coin toss for Fins, Buffalo and the Skins (I think they'll lose two outta the three)

So we're lookin at three to five wins. Keep sucking D-Town. Not like the fans care since they keep going to the games, buying crap merchandise, watching them on tv and listening to the on the radio.

I believe the Jetters will make a nice, long run again this year. It's our time damnit!

TheKorean

05-26-2010, 02:51 PM

^And you live in Michigan you say?

FoonZeeS

05-26-2010, 04:06 PM

That I do my friend.

I guess I'm what you would call an anti-homer. I hate all Detroit teams except the Tigers. I have no faith in the Lions, never have and never will. I hate how the Red Wings come up here and act like they own the town during training camp. I have no interest what so ever in African Handball, so the Pistons mean nothing to me.

Go Tigers!

D2K

05-26-2010, 04:29 PM

Unsurprisingly, New York got Super Bowl XLVIII. Good to see the north getting another one.

And the owners have tabled talks on instituting the OT change for the regular season as well. Meh, just decide already.

Not sure how that is going to work out. If they can hold a Super Bowl there then they HAVE to hold as Super Bowl at Lambeau Field. There is just no excuse not to now that the precedent has been set.

FoonZeeS

05-26-2010, 04:42 PM

I agree. Fuck all the celebrities and fat-cat people that are only there because of free tickets. I would love to see a Super Bowl decided in the snow. That goes for college ball as well. I'd love to see the Southern state teams play in snow.

D2K

05-26-2010, 05:56 PM

Well, I don't think weather is as much of a deterrent as it used to be in football. The Packers used to be unstoppable in cold weather/snowy games. Now I can't remember that last time they won a meaningful game in said elements.

If you are a team that is built on having a solid rushing-attack and a defense that can stop the run no matter what region you are from you are going to do well in the cold weather/snow.

doublehelix

05-26-2010, 06:01 PM

Fuck a snow Super Bowl. Three year rotation of San Diego, Miami, and a random dome, please.

comfortablynumb

05-26-2010, 06:14 PM

Just remember, New York is not getting the Super Bowl, if it did the only place it could be played is Ralph Wilson Stadium since Buffalo is the only team in New York.

And I'm rooting for a blizzard when it happens. The Super Bowl hasn't been about football for some time now and all of a sudden we're worrying about the game again?

cﾘnical

05-26-2010, 06:22 PM

DeAndes

05-27-2010, 03:55 AM

With all the roster upgrades, I see us realistically at 9-7. The Fins hope hinges on Ronnie Brown and Ricky maintaining their shit this year, Henne breaking out and Henne and Marshall gelling. I have them at 9-7/-10-6. I see the Pats at 11-5.

All that being said, the most important acquisition was that of Pool. He was the reason we went after Jason Taylor and not Darren Sharper.

As for AFC title game picks, I got Colts/Ravens. Got Texans making the playoffs.

NFC, I got the Saints/Giants. Arizona makes the playoffs, even with all the losses.

Agreed with Arizona still making the playoffs. I honestly think Matt Leinart will surprise a lot of people with his level of play. He has something to prove much like Aaron Rodgers had to overcome the stigma of living in Brett Farve's shadow. Not to mention the NFC West is weak as shit. The Niners are showing that the Raiders aren't the only dysfunctional team in Northern California and honestly can melt down with one or two key injuries to their defense (Patrick Willis), the Rams are rebuilding as are the Seachickens who have very little depth at the wideout position to protect an aging quarterback.

Looking at their schedule, they're probably looking at a 9-7 record and still winning the Division.

RatedDAL

05-27-2010, 08:27 AM

How are the niners proving they're dysfunctional like the raiders exactly? The cardinals would've been playing Leinart the past 2 years considering their investment if he was capable of leading them. Just curious why people overlook arizona's biggest weaknesss their defense.

Uncle Joe

05-27-2010, 08:33 AM

^And you live in Michigan you say?

This post made me die of laughter. Dude, you cheer for the Lions and Red Wings and you live in BK.

TheKorean

05-27-2010, 02:25 PM

I used to live in MI though.

Uncle Joe

05-27-2010, 03:47 PM

So then why don't you root for the Tigers and not the Yanks?

RatedDAL

05-27-2010, 03:57 PM

I'm just amazed he's a lions fan and not a cowboys or patriots fan

TheKorean

05-27-2010, 04:31 PM

So then why don't you root for the Tigers and not the Yanks?

Rooting for the Yankees is a family thing.

Sashaband

05-27-2010, 07:20 PM

I've heard that JP Losman has been signed by a NFL team. Can anyone tell me which one? Also, was wondering, is there any chance in hell that Ben Cheeseburger could end up in a Bills uniform?

T.O.

05-27-2010, 07:21 PM

He signed with Seattle. Google can be your friend.

Sashaband

05-27-2010, 07:25 PM

so can 20 posts, thanks for the help.

go bills.

Hustle

05-28-2010, 06:17 PM

Seattle released LenDale White, and now it appears White might be facing a 4-game suspension from the league for a substance violation.

cﾘnical

05-28-2010, 07:06 PM

Wow. Didn't see that coming. I wonder if he still feels like talking shit about Reggie, now?

Good news. Jeremy Shockey is out of the hospital and returning to practice. That was a bit scary for a minute there.

Brooklyn

05-28-2010, 07:22 PM

Seattle released LenDale White, and now it appears White might be facing a 4-game suspension from the league for a substance violation.

Damn..whats next for him. If Pete Carroll is willing to part with him, then you know that shit ain't right. I was hoping that he and BMW could have experienced a little USC-like success in terms of their individual careers.

H.O.O.D

06-02-2010, 01:12 PM

Damn..whats next for him. If Pete Carroll is willing to part with him, then you know that shit ain't right. I was hoping that he and BMW could have experienced a little USC-like success in terms of their individual careers.

And amazingly he lost nearly 45 pounds this offseason and was around 218. I can see someone taking a flier on him but only after the preseason starts and even then maybe not till during the season. It will likely be a team that becomes needy due to injury.

And to think once upon a time he was thought of as a top 20 pick in the draft.

RatedDAL

06-07-2010, 09:36 PM

The Niners traded Isaac Bruce to the rams for nothing so he could retire as a ram. Bruce was a very good player, even great perhaps but was this really necessary?

Hustle

06-08-2010, 09:29 AM

Why wouldn't it be? It happens all the time.

H.O.O.D

06-08-2010, 09:38 AM

The Niners traded Isaac Bruce to the rams for nothing so he could retire as a ram. Bruce was a very good player, even great perhaps but was this really necessary?

Well considering they still owned the rights to Bruce, it was either make a cermonial trade or release him to allow him to sign a 1 day to retire a Ram.

And IMO Bruce was a great player.

RatedDAL

06-08-2010, 05:25 PM

I guess I just underestimate Bruce then, if whoever employs daunte culpepper traded him back to Minnesota to retire as a viking, is it really that big a deal. Seems like something that's pointless or should be reserved for the elite of the elite

doublehelix

06-09-2010, 12:09 AM

Sounds like the Niners Santa Clara stadium proposal did/is doing well, today. I don't know anything at all about the various economic concerns and stuff so I don't know if this is really a good thing in real grown-up world but in the safety of my cave to the north where the only things that matter are keeping the team in the Bay and cool stadium mock-up pictures, I'm happy about this.

H.O.O.D

06-09-2010, 10:21 AM

Uncle Joe

06-09-2010, 01:52 PM

I think the Dolphins owner wasn't that farfetched with Super Bowl comments, even though I think he is out of his mind with the Marino shit. If MArshall stays in line and Henne develops at his projected trajectory, they could easily be a top tier team.

T.O.

06-09-2010, 05:18 PM

I seem to be the only one following the labor talks. Bit of scary news here:

The NFL Players' Association is challenging the structure of the NFL's television contracts in a filing Wednesday to special master Stephen Burbank of the University of Pennsylvania.

The NFLPA is arguing that the league essentially set up a 2011 lockout protection fund with the structure of its TV deals.

The union announced its legal filing in a story on its website, NFLPlayers.com.

The union, in its filing, argues that the NFL's guaranteed $4 billion in television revenues combined with the elimination of $4.4 billion in player salaries would make 2011 a profitable season for the owners even if no football is played because of a lockout.

The league's television contracts for the 2011 season provide for the networks to pay the league even though there would be no games during a lockout. The union argues that this agreement was made to the detriment of the players and is, in fact, a weapon to be used against the players in the lockout.

The union is asking Burbank to order the league to put all TV money in an escrow instead of distributing it to the owners during the lockout. This would, obviously, produce significant leverage for the union.

If the television money is put into an escrow account, the owners would be forced to find other funds to make interest payments, stadium payments, and other bills that continue to accrue during a lockout.

"It appears that the owners bought a strategy to lock players and fans out and nonetheless financially protect themselves," Baltimore Ravens cornerback Domonique Foxworth, a member of the NFLPA's executive committee, told NFLPlayers.com. "The players want to leave no stone unturned to make sure that CBA negotiations proceed in good faith and that next season is played in its entirety."

The NFL currently has television contracts with ESPN, NBC, CBS, Fox and DirecTV.

The NFL defended its television contracts in a statement Wednesday, calling the union's challenge "meritless."

"The television contracts that the union attacked [Wednesday] were agreed to during the worst economy in our lifetimes. Far from failing to maximize revenue, the contracts grew league revenue to fund higher player salaries and benefits," league spokesman Greg Aiello said.

"No wonder [NFLPA executive director] DeMaurice Smith said publicly this year, 'My hat's off to [NFL commissioner] Roger Goodell. Television is locked up until 2014 to the tune of about $5 billion a year.' The union's meritless charges, including many inaccuracies, will be addressed in the proper forum, but they are simply a distraction and do nothing to get us any closer to a new CBA," Aiello said.

T.O.

06-13-2010, 09:17 PM

Dammit Vince Young... :facepalm:

Jediknight

06-14-2010, 01:47 PM

Dammit Vince Young... :facepalm:

And the worst offseason in NFL history continues.

Seriously, this is freaking ridiculous, it's sad when the possibility of a work stoppage is some of the best press the NFL has gotten.

It does make you appreciate a guy like Drew Brees more, though. At worst he's one of the top 3 QBs in the game, he led his team to a Super Bowl Championship and has been a complete class act. He's not someone the NFL is worried about embarrassing himself, his team or the league.

Vikingsno.1fan

06-14-2010, 01:49 PM

Don't forget Peyton.

Uncle Joe

06-14-2010, 04:14 PM

Goddamnit Tannenbaum, pay Revis, Mangold, Harris and Dbrick man.

Revis, don't act like you don't know Asumugha's contract was retardation on Al Davis's part.

CharlieMac

06-15-2010, 09:50 AM

The Jets have potential disaster written all over them. I don't care how many people pick them to go to the Super Bowl. I'm not even sure I'd have them in the playoffs right now.

RatedDAL

06-15-2010, 05:57 PM

Completely agree with Charlie, the Jets are way too sexy a pick. I'll be as far from surprised as possible if they go 6-10

cﾘnical

06-15-2010, 06:09 PM

I definitely picked the Jets to represent the AFC because, on paper, it was almost ludicrous not to. This post-season, however, is making me really change my perspective.

RatedDAL

06-15-2010, 06:13 PM

I can't believe they actually let Thomas Jones walk and went and signed LT, anything happens to Greene and that running game's done for.

Brooklyn

06-16-2010, 06:36 PM

WTF is wrong with Haynesworth

TheAman

06-16-2010, 06:48 PM

Haynesworth is a bitch. Always has been, always will be.

comfortablynumb

06-16-2010, 08:19 PM

RatedDAL

06-16-2010, 08:27 PM

The skins are also idiots for paying a DT that much money, most of the teams around the league are going to the 3-4

Hustle

06-19-2010, 07:32 PM

The Saints have traded Jammal Brown to the Redskins.

Depending on what criteria is met in Donovan McNabb's season, the Redskins will be sending either a 2011 3rd or 4th round pick to the Eagles. Whichever pick they don't send to the Eagles, they'll send to the Saints for Brown.

cﾘnical

06-19-2010, 07:36 PM

Thank God. Jammal Brown sucks. I don't give a damn how many Pro Bowls he's been to.

TheAman

06-19-2010, 11:01 PM

The Redskins are idiots for signing Haynesworth to a huge contract and then changing their defensive scheme. I know they got a new coach but they don't have the right pieces for the 3-4, especially on the line and secondary.

Haynesworth said he'll be there for training camp and is fine with paying fines until then. Screw the Skins.

He hated the 4-3 defense the Skins were running anyways and was complaining about the scheme. It has nothing to do with the 3-4, he's just a bitch.

NSF on Fire

06-21-2010, 11:34 AM

The Redskins are idiots for signing Haynesworth to a huge contract and then changing their defensive scheme. I know they got a new coach but they don't have the right pieces for the 3-4, especially on the line and secondary.

Haynesworth said he'll be there for training camp and is fine with paying fines until then. Screw the Skins.

The Skins continue to spend money in the wrong places and the signing of Haynesworth was the pinnaccle of their ineptitde.

This organization needs a level of consistency and I dont mean just consistency on the playing field. They need more consistency from the coaches all the way up.

TheAman

06-27-2010, 02:26 PM

Lol.

"The biggest impact Tebow has had on the team since being drafted is to raise coach Josh McDaniels' appreciation for veteran Kyle Orton. "

Blade23

06-27-2010, 02:39 PM

Lol.

"The biggest impact Tebow has had on the team since being drafted is to raise coach Josh McDaniels' appreciation for veteran Kyle Orton. "

I believe the comment was meant in terms of Orton being a good veteran presence to help mentor Tebow. I'm not a fan of the Tim Tebow pick or him being the "future" of the Denver Broncos. Nonetheless, he's in an excellent situation to succeed with a good veteran quarterback (i.e. Kyle Orton) to mentor him and a younger quarterback with experience (i.e. Brady Quinn) to allow him time to develop. If he can't succeed under these circumstances, then he never will.

TheAman

06-27-2010, 03:14 PM

Actually, the quote was in regard to the fact that Orton is a veteran presence to lead the team right now because of how much the team would struggle with just about any rookie QB. I know it's not completely bashing Tebow, it's just funny to read it.

RatedDAL

06-30-2010, 01:59 AM

Sad news, Randall Cunningham's 2 1/2 yr old son drowned in a hot tub this afternoon. This is like the 3rd or 4th child drowning in vegas in the past month

D2K

06-30-2010, 11:48 AM

That is very sad news.

T.O.

07-01-2010, 02:45 PM

Damn you, V-Jax.

Now I have to find another WR in the dynasty league for the first three weeks.

Power Windows

07-05-2010, 06:18 PM

I don't know why undercover cops would be snooping around Jamarcus Russell's home.. Nevertheless they found codeine cough syrup aka "lean" somewhere in his house, and he was arrested. He posted bail, and I'm no doctor but he was probably "leaning" when he was starting for the Raiders... during games..

Haynesworth is a bitch. Always has been, always will be.A pretty expensive one, too.

Uncle Joe

07-07-2010, 03:03 PM

One of the Core Four signed today, as D'Brick signed an extension to remain with the Jets, but damn it's an enormous contract. I was expecting Revis to get his contract first, but I guess the Jets are sending a message that he should just be quiet and not be a mini loud mouth about the situation, which leads me to believe that David Harris will get his extension next, then Mangold and Revis last, which may backfire.

D2K

07-07-2010, 07:46 PM

For those who hate Brett Favre and his antics, what are the odds that Favre makes his announcement of his retirement/non-retirement sometime tomorrow to trump LeBron James' announcement of where he's gonna play next season? He's done it before.

TheAman

07-07-2010, 07:49 PM

Nah, Favre knows he can't upstage Lebron. He'd be overshadowed, not the other way around.

comfortablynumb

07-07-2010, 07:49 PM

I don't think he will. I bet he waits until after training camp starts. If he announces now he'll be expected to show for camp.

The Favre hype isn't what it used to be because everybody knows he's coming back this year, but I'd much rather hear about him everyday than Lebron.

RatedDAL

07-07-2010, 07:49 PM

Considering nobody expects him to retire, doubt that announcement even comes close to trumping lebron

TheAman

07-09-2010, 01:32 PM

The Lions drafted 40 players between 02-06. As of this morning, none of those players are currently on the Lions roster.

Brooklyn

07-09-2010, 07:55 PM

No truth to the rumor that Bret Favre approached ESPN for a nightly segment on sportscenter.

The Lions drafted 40 players between 02-06. As of this morning, none of those players are currently on the Lions roster.

Whoa!! Thats a sobering thought considering some of the high profile picks they've made in that time period.

http://www.detroitlions.com/team/history/draft-history/draft-history-2000-2009.html
List of their picks from 2000 to 2009. Some pretty floptacular selections that never became the kind of players they were projected to be. I was really disappointed in Charles Rogers from 03. I thought he'd be an all pro receiver. The you got Shaun Cody. Does anyone remember that stupid show he had, Super Agent?

ElectrifyingUno

07-10-2010, 12:35 AM

What about this list of doozies.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/history/draft-history/2000s.html

Only Harrison, D'Qwell Jackson, Eric Wright, and Joe Thomas remain and are relevant from any picks from 2000-2008

Brooklyn

07-10-2010, 11:53 AM

I see some disappointing flops on that list too. Damn

cﾘnical

07-21-2010, 05:45 PM

Poor Bus. Even he's had enough.

http://www.nesn.com/2010/07/agent-bus-cook-calls-brett-favre-drama-queen-says-hes-sick-of-offseason-drama.html

comfortablynumb

07-21-2010, 05:55 PM

What a piece of shit. The only reason the general public (and the people who conducted that interview) know Cook's name is because of Favre.

Poor Brett.

cﾘnical

07-21-2010, 05:58 PM

You have got to be kidding me. Bus Cook is arguably the most successful agent in the history of the NFL.

TheAman

07-21-2010, 06:11 PM

You have got to be kidding me. Bus Cook is arguably the most successful agent in the history of the NFL.

See: Rosenhaus, Drew (If most successful = making the most money)

cﾘnical

07-21-2010, 06:26 PM

Check out his accomplishments, though. He may not be as consistent as Rosenhaus, but when he hits he hits big.

# Largest rookie contract in NFL history. (Steve McNair, 1995)
# Largest contract in NFL history. (Brett Favre, 1997)
# First $100,000,000 contract in NFL History (Brett Favre, 2001)
# Record setting contract paying out the most in the first three years in NFL history (McNair, 2001)
# Largest non-QB contract in NFL history. (Randy Moss, 2001)
# Innovative contract structure involving guaranteed money for Record setting Rookie contract. (Calvin Johnson, 2007)

And that's not even counting Jay Cutler's contract.

Brooklyn

07-21-2010, 06:43 PM

You should look up the Miss. State/Texas A&M game from a few years back, then.

Ja'Mar Toombs and the Aggies right??

cﾘnical

07-21-2010, 07:19 PM

I think so. It was the year State wore all white and it snowed. Shit was awesome.

Brooklyn

07-24-2010, 05:13 PM

Shefter tweeted that the NYG signed Keith Bulluck. Well, I get a Cuse football guy onto my favorite NFL team. He's older and had the knee injury but I think he should be a good fit for this group of LB. He can bring a veteran prescence that left when Pierce retired. I hope he can still be productive.

RatedDAL

07-25-2010, 08:07 AM

Was't david tyree more then enogh cuse presence for the G Men? I realize he's no longer there but he does own the biggest play in Giants history

Brooklyn

07-25-2010, 03:43 PM

Yeah, I'm not slighting Tyree but he's not there as you mentioned. I'm always glad to have a Cuse guy on the Giants. Tyree had that great catch that I will never forget. Thats my favorite Tyree moment . My next favorite moment was the VT game where he and Ernest Wilford(Va tech) both went for over 200 yards receiving in the same game. However, I knew that Tyree's calling card was going to be special teams. Even as a college starter he was a good special teams guy. Without being a true can't miss prospect at wr that was his in with the G-men. He made the great catch but I never got a sense that he was going to become a bigger part of the wr corp. At the time they let him go, the Giants had a bunch of wr's they were looking at and it was going to be an uphill battle for him. I hope he lands someplace if he hasn't already

Tito

07-26-2010, 10:34 PM

Let me post this here: http://www.lopforums.com/entry.php/67-Blog-is-Tito-Previewing-the-2010-NFL-Season!

And now I'll run!

D2K

07-26-2010, 11:13 PM

Remember a few years ago when THEN Green Bay Packers receiver Javon Walker decided to hold out because he wanted a bigger contract. When Brett Favre was asked about it he said that Javon Walker should honor his contract and get into camp. The media ripped Favre to shreds about those comments and it was IMO the start to his downfall as America;s sweetheart. (It should be noted that it's ironic how he now is the one not showing up the training camp like he is supposed to which is hilarious in and of itself.) Now we got another Packers QB at it. Apparently Aaron Rodgers on Twitter made some comments directed at Dez Bryant based on his refusal to carry the helmet of some veteran players on the Cowboys. Here is the story.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/13966/aaron-rodgers-to-dez-bryant-fall-in-line

Let's see how the media handles this one.

Uncle Joe

07-26-2010, 11:25 PM

Brooklyn

07-27-2010, 12:48 AM

I follow MJD and Gerald Alexander(Jags players) on twitter and they pretty much said that Bryant should fall in line too. Alexander said they don't play that down in duval county or something to that affect.

D2K

07-27-2010, 12:51 AM

I don't think it's the same situation, because Favre interfered with another man's money, while Aaron spoke on what many people consider a right of passage that is rookie hazing. Dez Bryant is a bitch with a hooker mother anyway.

The circumstances are difference, but the situation is the same. A QB is opening his mouth about something that is not his business. In both instances, both QBs needed to keep their mouths shut.

doublehelix

07-27-2010, 01:05 AM

Both were dumb for talking about something that has nothing to do with them, Favre was being dumb because I think the "honor your contract" line is a bad one when you consider how an NFL team can just cut a guy for sucking in most cases but a player can't just get paid what he deserves relative to his peers, Rodgers is being dumb because hazing is dumb, Dez Bryan is being dumb because this is a pretty dumb form of hazing to draw the line on, Roy Williams is dumb because he's Roy Williams, and the offseason is dumb because we have to talk about this bullshit.

D2K

07-27-2010, 01:20 AM

It's funny from the Favre perspective because he is not practicing what he preaches by skipping out on mandatory mini-camps and missing training camp for a few weeks just because he doesn't want to do it.

But with Aaron Rodgers it's like, why are you even concerned with that over there? You should be more concerned on whether or not your offensive line is going to hold together to keep you off your backside for 16 games rather than if some arrogant receiver doesn't want to carry a helmet.

I agree that hazing is ridiculous and if in his shoes maybe I would do that same thing. I'm there to do a job, not be somebody's *blank* to stroke already over inflated egos even more. Real dues are paid on the grid-iron, not in locker rooms. I don't see a category in Canton, Ohio dedicated to how well players carried helmet in their rookie year.

doublehelix

07-27-2010, 01:59 AM

Well, in fairness to both guys, I doubt they didn't go out of their way to make official statements on these matters. If I had reporters firing dozens of questions at me every day, I'd probably wind up opining on something that isn't my business, too.

Uncle Joe

07-27-2010, 02:12 AM

Yeah, just the other day some reporter asked me what I thought about the LBJ-Miami-Cleveland situation, and I told them "I got your King James right here, faggot" while I grabbed my cock.

Hustle

07-27-2010, 04:50 PM

The Jets have reached out to Terrell Owens' agent about possibly signing him (Terrell Owens, not his agent) to a deal.

Honestly, I'm shocked that it has taken this long for the Jets to throw their name into the discussion.

D2K

07-27-2010, 05:04 PM

That wouldn't be a bad move for the Jets.

Hustle

07-27-2010, 05:24 PM

I agree. They still need some WR help for Mark Sanchez, and I think Rex Ryan could handle the ego of Owens (probably because Ryan's ego might be even bigger). It would also give Owens his best shot at winning a Super Bowl this year (even without him, the Jets are ahead of the Bengals in any Power Rankings). The move just makes sense.

The Hurra Duff

07-27-2010, 05:25 PM

If T.O. had to choose between the Jets and Bengals, I'd pick the Jets if I were him; just because the Jets are more likely to go to the Super Bowl this year than Cincy who I think is a WC team at best. The only thing T.O. is missing on his resume is a SB ring.

Hustle

07-27-2010, 05:35 PM

None of this matters now, as ProFootballTalk is reporting Owens has signed with the Bengals, per "a league source".

Sashaband

07-27-2010, 06:32 PM

http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=328684

there's the link to tsn. I guess he's gone to the Bengal's. Too bad, I think he would have looked great in a Habs uniform.

Here's to another exciting Bill's season!

T.O.

07-27-2010, 07:38 PM

I do believe I broke the T.O. to Cincy news here months ago.

Clairvoyance.

D2K

07-28-2010, 02:22 AM

** Gets his popcorn ready with some heavy butter and Lawry's Seasoning Salt with a big jug of Cherry Coke to wash it down. **

:snacks:

The T. Ocho-Cinco show is about to begin!

Lunchbox1981

07-28-2010, 12:22 PM

Enjoy the train wreck that is coming your way Bengals fans. I assume this deal wouldn’t have happened if Carson Palmer hadn’t signed off on it, so I am scratching my head trying to figure out why it is that he thinks he can succeed in dealing with Owens where other pro bowl quarterbacks have failed. It’s going to be interesting to watch.

drchannard

07-28-2010, 12:57 PM

As a Bengals fan, I was initially bothered by this but after hearing that Bryant isn't overcoming his knee problems, I think that this might actually be a good signing. He'll be able to stretch the field, something that hasn't been done for Palmer since Henry's suspensions and subsequent death. You need to be able to stretch the field in the AFC North so that teams like Pittsburg and Baltimore can't stuff the box with their Pro Bowl safeties. Plus Carson's already had the experience with dealing with Prima Donnas before so it wouldn't be like this is anything new.

Also, the main person behind all of the Bengals signings is Mike Brown so if this destroys the season, the owner f'ed it up again.

D2K

07-28-2010, 01:40 PM

I don't think the problem would be Carson Palmer getting along with T.O. UNLESS....there is an issue as far as who's getting more balls between Ocho-Uno and Ocho-Cinco. Those two would be wise and follow the pattern laid down by Jerry Rice and Tim Brown when they were with the Raiders. If Carson Palmer can get through this season without incident that means somehow he was able to keep the two biggest prima-donna's in NFL history happy. For that alone he should be awarded the MVP trophy.

Brooklyn

07-28-2010, 08:57 PM

Well Joe's Jets signed the 175 year old Mark Brunell.

Blade23

07-28-2010, 10:15 PM

Well Joe's Jets signed the 175 year old Mark Brunell.

^Remember, there was a time when he was the kid that was backing up Brett Favre.

Brooklyn

07-28-2010, 10:37 PM

lol the 180 year old Brett. Brunell should find that fountain of youth down in Mississippi. Its been working for Brett.

cﾘnical

07-29-2010, 08:12 AM

Hey now, that Brunell kid just won a Super Bowl!

Blade23

07-29-2010, 10:27 AM

Hey now, that Brunell kid just won a Super Bowl!

He participated as much in that Super Bowl victory as I did.

Lunchbox1981

07-29-2010, 11:28 AM

Well Joe's Jets signed the 175 year old Mark Brunell.

Santa Maria, California's own Mark Brunell. It's been a long time since he was with the Jaguars, but at one time he was a very good quarterback. He can't really play a lick anymore, but if they are looking for someone to serve as a mentor to Mark Sanchez he can be very good in that role.

Brooklyn

07-29-2010, 11:54 AM

I get you LB. I was just making a lil jokey joke. I think a guy like Sanchez can benefit from having Brunell mentor him

T.O.

07-29-2010, 02:25 PM

Goddamn, you suck, Albert Haynesworth. Failed his conditioning test now.

Brooklyn

07-29-2010, 02:50 PM

Lol...well I heard that he lost all this weight about a week ago??? Go figure.

cﾘnical

07-29-2010, 04:28 PM

He participated as much in that Super Bowl victory as I did.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y121/Gojgera/thats_the_joke.jpg

T.O.

07-29-2010, 07:09 PM

I mean, I took a look at the conditioning drill players have to run to get cleared for camp. Easy as hell. ANYONE on this site could probably do it.

Run 50 yards, rest 70 seconds, run another 50, then run a third 50. I think that's what it was. Granted, I couldn't find the time allotted for it, but it can't be extremely hard.

Brooklyn

07-29-2010, 07:22 PM

I won a bronze in the 50 yd dash in third grade..but ofcourse I wasn't 300 plus pounds lol. Still no excuse for Big Al. A week ago there was a report of him shedding 32 pounds. You'd figure he'd be able to run those drills.

Lunchbox1981

07-29-2010, 08:05 PM

I get you LB. I was just making a lil jokey joke. I think a guy like Sanchez can benefit from having Brunell mentor him

Oh I know. The guy is old, especially by NFL standards.

doublehelix

07-29-2010, 09:08 PM

Sounds like David Tyree's retiring. Career stats: 650 receiving yards, 4 receiving touchdowns, 1 best catch ever.

Brooklyn

07-30-2010, 08:44 PM

Yeah. He's retiring as a NYG. Signed a 1 day contract so that he could. I'll always have a strong appreciation for the guy. He played for my favorite college team too. I mentioned it once before in this thread but I'll remember Tyree for two..well three things. The obvious and most important was that catch. The other was the big receiving game he had against the Virginia Tech Hokies. 200 + yards. Lastly, he was a really good special teams guy.

Hustle

07-31-2010, 08:51 PM

The Bucs have apparently released Jevan Snead. That guy is a certified moron. In no way, shape or form should he have left school. Hope he enjoys his shitty job now.

T.O.

07-31-2010, 09:05 PM

I'm tempted to spin this off into its own thread, but for now, I'll talk about this here.

Reports are coming out saying Chiefs safety Eric Berry got the biggest contract for a safety in history. Sam Bradford got $78 million, $50MM guaranteed. The list could keep going and going. These guys haven't done jack shit yet and are already rich beyond their wildest dreams.

Face facts people, at this rate, I'm confident that there will be NO 2011 NFL season. These contracts are fucking ridiculous.

CharlieMac

07-31-2010, 10:25 PM

You're right. Unfortunately, it's been trending this way for a long time now. The NFL owners want an "NBA like" rookie cap and I don't blame them a bit.

TheKorean

08-01-2010, 01:41 AM

The Bucs have apparently released Jevan Snead. That guy is a certified moron. In no way, shape or form should he have left school. Hope he enjoys his shitty job now.

Hes still got UFL. Should get him about $100000

Visagra

08-01-2010, 02:05 AM

Speaking of the UFL, that stupid league needs to get at least 10 teams for me to care. I watched last season but a 4 team league isn't that exciting. At least they got 5 teams this year.

Arena Football League Playoffs begin next week for those who want some football to watch while waiting for the NFL season to start. I guess the Hall of Fame game is next week too. Good weekend for football then.

Hustle

08-03-2010, 10:48 AM

Word just broke on Twitter that Brett Favre has informed the Minnesota Vikings he will not be returning, and that he just can't handle more wear and tear on his body.

Slap

08-03-2010, 11:15 AM

Brooklyn

08-03-2010, 11:17 AM

I'll believe when the game start lol.Its sad how when a guy like him retires, people are skeptical. Will this be a Terry Funk, George Foreman retirement lol

I'd make an it open competition but I think Jackson will be the starter atleast going into the 1st preseason game.

Hustle

08-03-2010, 11:20 AM

I don't want this subject (Favre) to completely take over this thread, which it will, so I'm going to give it it's own thread.

With Favre out (alledgedly), does that mean TJACK is the QB again, or Sage?

From all reports I've seen, Rosenfels is having an awful training camp, and has already thrown six picks (he had a seventh pick dropped). It's gotta be Jackson's job if they don't find someone else.

MournDespana

08-03-2010, 11:22 AM

Do NOT buy it one bit.

If he is still "retired" in week 2 of the regular season, then I will believe it.

As for starter? The big winner will be AP as he will be the total focus of the offense with either of those two at starting QB. I believe TJack would start.

Son of Shockey

08-03-2010, 11:24 AM

I'll believe it when he's six feet under.

Brooklyn

08-03-2010, 11:25 AM

Changing my vote to Jackson now considering the report you mentioned Hustle(about how bad Rosenfels has looked). If both guys were looking equally good I would have just made it a position battle. But if Rosenfels is looking bad, you might as well guy with Jackson

T.O.

08-03-2010, 12:13 PM

I'd put Joe Webb over Sage Rosenfels right now.

*Turns on radio* OH BOY WILL THIS BE FUN TO LISTEN TO

Gypsumstack

08-04-2010, 09:03 AM

As a Bengals fan, I am used to dissapointment. When they signed TO I wasn't all that excited given his history. Then I remembered that he doesn't have much longer in the league and may just clean up his act and just try to win a ring before he retires. Then Ocho tweeted that it would be a damn shame if the Bengals didn't win the Superbowl this season...but that's Chad and he always talks too much. Now Palmer is quoted in an interview saying there is no reason the Bengals shouldn't win the Superbowl, which is very unlike him to make bold predictions. Plus he said he was giggling like a kid watching the tape of TO's first practice with the team. Now I've bought into it hook line and sinker and can't wait for the season to start. 25+ years as a Bengals fan and I still haven't learned my lesson.

I will say this though, if this offense can't score in bunches with TO, Ocho, Benson, Bryant, and company...all the blame falls on Carson. This is his year to put up or shut up. Well, unless we get another steady diet of run for a couple on first, run for a couple on second, surprise them with the shovel pass on third and long from Mr. Unimaginative Bratkowsky like we did last year. The Bengals need to go back to no huddle so Carson can call his own plays.

Just the idea of having a top 5 defense and a top 5 offense has me as giddy as a child.

Now that I've said that, look for Benson and TO to both snap their legs off in the first quarter of Sunday's game against Dallas. If the cheap ass owner doesn't screw us, the pre-season curse will.

Hustle

08-05-2010, 10:25 AM

Bad news, Broncos fans..

Elvis Dumervil has what is feared to be a torn pectoral muscle.

Slap

08-05-2010, 12:11 PM

Champ Baily said Tim Tebow is amazing. His performance in training camp is the most amazing thing he's ever seen.

Bronco's officials should check to see if Baily is sipping on the purple drink...

Blade23

08-05-2010, 12:26 PM

Bad news, Broncos fans..

Elvis Dumervil has what is feared to be a torn pectoral muscle.

^This sucks, I just read that today myself (he's out for at least 4 months). Correll Buckhalter and Knowshon Moreno are already nursing injuries as well. Plus, Denver signed LenDale White to fill in while they're injured.

Things are not looking good for Denver, I predict Tim Tebow takes over regularly by mid-season.

Slap

08-05-2010, 01:31 PM

Brady Quinn will not see a down.

Poor bastard.

Al Boo Boo

08-05-2010, 03:09 PM

Things are not looking good for Denver, I predict Tim Tebow takes over regularly by mid-season.

At running back? Ha. I'd love to see that.

Blade23

08-05-2010, 03:42 PM

Brady Quinn will not see a down.

Poor bastard.

Brady Quinn should be the starter for Denver. I like Kyle Orton, but he can't throw downfield. Quinn has never had a chance to show what he's capable of doing on a decent team.

I think Tim Tebow could be a decent quarterback down the road, but they'll throw him in too quickly and ruin it.

Now do you see why I need baseball and the Atlanta Braves so bad? Football is going to be a long season for me.

Jediknight

08-06-2010, 02:19 PM

Football is going to be a long season for me.

The Broncos will still finish ahead of the Chiefs and Raiders, so it could be worse.

This is going to be the year for the Niners, NFC West Champions.

Slap

08-06-2010, 02:27 PM

Niners are going to go 8-8

which is enough to win their division I guess...

Blade, I need football for the same reason you need baseball....

Nice to see someone else has faith in Quinn. I think in the right situation he's a good QB.

D2K

08-06-2010, 03:41 PM

This is going to be the year for the Niners, NFC West Champions.

I would say that the 49ers have reason for cautious optimism on winning the division and are probably the favorites, but I would count the Cardinals out just yet. Even without Kurt Warner and Anquan Bolden their offense is still dangerous, just not as dangerous.

Blade23

08-06-2010, 03:50 PM

Nice to see someone else has faith in Quinn. I think in the right situation he's a good QB.

I've liked Brady Quinn since his Notre Dame days and I'm a Penn State guy. I felt that he was put into a piss poor situation in Cleveland and expected to perform. I'm not saying that Denver is a powerhouse, but they're much better than the Browns and I believe that Quinn would succeed as the starter.

Why else would you trade for him? These are the type of moves that makes it difficult for me to like and support Josh McDaniels. Last year he was content with Phil Simms' waste of sperm as a back-up and this year he loads up with two starting caliber quarterbacks and drafts one for the future.

I'm in the Brady Quinn fan club and I want to see him start in Denver.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-broncosinjuries

^Awesome, now Elvis Dumervil's replacement goes down. The players in Denver are frail.

T.O.

08-06-2010, 09:42 PM

Interesting...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5444048&campaign=rss&source=twitter&ex_cid=Twitter_espn_5444048

MournDespana

08-06-2010, 09:45 PM

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SON OF A BITCH!!!

The Hurra Duff

08-07-2010, 04:55 PM

What does everyone think of the 2010 Hall of Fame class being inducted tonight:

Jerry Rice-arguably the greatest player in NFL history. 4 SB rings, hold just about every major receiving record there is to hold.
Emmitt Smith-NFL Alltime leading rusher. 3 SB Rings, 1993 NFL MVP.
Rickey Jackson-Saints LB and part of the famed Dome Patrol in NO during the 80's and early 90's
John Randle-feared DL for the Vikings and someone who scared the crap out of me whenever I looked at him on TV.
Russ Grimm-Multiple SB rings with the Redskins; part of the legendary Hogs (the name of the Redskins Offensive Linemen).
Dick Lebeau-Better known to me as a defensive coordinator for the Bengals and Steelers but he's going in as a player. Supposedly he was a fantasic CB in his playing days.
Floyd Little-Denver Bronco RB during the 70's. Never saw him play (not alive then) but have heard from older friends who're Broncos fans he was great.

MournDespana

08-07-2010, 05:24 PM

One of the best HoF classes in any sport of all time. (Not counting inaugural classes)

Best WR of all time
NFL all time leadrer in Rushing yards, TDs and 100 yard rushing games
Most underrated LB of his era
May be the best DT of all time (If not, top three)
Should have been in years ago
same (and as a D coordinator)
Guy who lead a team from the AFL to the NFL with lots of success (stats don't say much as back then rushing yard totals were a lot lower)

This class is great and i will be watching tonight just for the John Randle, Jerry Rice speaches... guesses why?

Hustle

08-07-2010, 08:25 PM

Colt Brennan signed with the Raiders, where he gets to back Jason Campbell up. Again.

The Hurra Duff

08-07-2010, 08:59 PM

I was wrong earlier. Rice has only 3 SB rings not 4. For some reason I thought he was on the 84 Niners title team but he wasn't drafted until 85!

MournDespana

08-07-2010, 09:33 PM

He was on 4 SB teams.

doublehelix

08-08-2010, 06:32 AM

The preservation of Jerry Rice's records is the main reason I oppose the 18 game season. This is dumb, because even if you assume that two extra games over the course of a career adds 225 catches, 3000 yards, and 30 TDs (roughly 7-8 catches a game, 100 yards, and a TD per game over 15 years, which is extremely generous), nobody catches Jerry Rice in any of those categories.

Jerry Rice is fucking ridiculous, is what I'm saying.

RatedDAL

08-08-2010, 09:27 AM

Ridicolous that Emmitt smith got the headlining position of closing the induction ceremony, was pissed last night and still am. Garbage.

Kryptonikz

08-10-2010, 08:54 PM

Colt Brennan signed with the Raiders, where he gets to back Jason Campbell up. Again.

What a waste...

H.O.O.D

08-11-2010, 10:47 AM

Ridicolous that Emmitt smith got the headlining position of closing the induction ceremony, was pissed last night and still am. Garbage.

I was at the ceremony (and got to visit the hall) this weekend. Awesome time and yes Rice should have been the final inductee to be presented (even though Emmitt's speech was better cuz Rice decided to read word for word) however because of all the Cowboy fans in town (not surprising with their team being chosen for the HoF game) they chose to use Emmitt as the closer.

Rickey Jackson really impressed me with the talk of his hometown, I mean he can fish and hunt whenever he likes and they grow sugar cane and vegetables in his hometown. :lmao:

The 9ers should have been playing the Cowboys in the HoF game this past weekend, would have a great way to cap the weekend for the NFL however due to the London game and the additional traveling that would be required for them they got screwed out of any chance to play.